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So i was coming home from my girlfriends house in gardendale about midnight tonight. I was thirsty so i stopped at a cheveron right by the interstate to get a drink. Well as I'm pulling in I see a gardendale squad car in the parking lot. For some reason I was feeling adventurous and slightly curious to see how it would play out. So since I was already OCing my 1911 in an IWB holster i figured to just go with it. SO I walk in and say hello to the clerk and the officer and i head for the drinks. Well as i walk up to the counter they both kinda stop and look at me. The clerk glances toward my gun and then checks me out. She tells me to have a goodnight and then I leave without so much as a word said. =]

The officer seemed to be middle aged and had probably been a LEO for some time. Wonder if it would have turned out differently with a younger inexperienced LEO
 

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LEOs commonly refer to gas stations in the early morning hours here as "Stop & Robs." Even in an OC state, walking into a Stop 'n' Rob at midnight with a holstered 1911 worn IWB in plain view seems more than a little "adventurous."

I love open-carry because if the wind were to blow my cover garment up and over my piece, or if my shirt got stuck up on my pistol for whatever reason, I wouldn't get in trouble for brandishing, so I consider open-carry more of a safeguard than anything. If I were you I'd keep it concealed whenever possible. I understand OC is indeed a personal decision many people make though, so don't take my previous sentence as a suggestion - I'm just saying, if I were you. I support OC for different reasons than most, I'd assume. Massad Ayoob has talked about it on at least one occasion, and I feel I'm mostly on the same page with his logic.

Anyhow, I'm glad everything went alright with you!
 

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The officer seemed to be middle aged and had probably been a LEO for some time. Wonder if it would have turned out differently with a younger inexperienced LEO
You know how that would have turned out. :aaa:
 

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Wow, Alabama is a traditional open-carry state. 18 y/o to carry and without a license anywhere except a vehicle. Hmm. I'm still sticking to what I had said in my above post regarding my opinion towards open-carry. If I lived in Alabama and had a license to conceal, I'd keep it concealed. I wish we had OC here in Texas though to some degree, just for the reason I stated above (to protect against the odd chance of accidental exposure of firearm). Take it easy.
 

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Wow, Alabama is a traditional open-carry state. 18 y/o to carry and without a license anywhere except a vehicle. Hmm. I'm still sticking to what I had said in my above post regarding my opinion towards open-carry. If I lived in Alabama and had a license to conceal, I'd keep it concealed. I wish we had OC here in Texas though to some degree, just for the reason I stated above (to protect against the odd chance of accidental exposure of firearm). Take it easy.
The problem in AL is that many LEO do not recognize our right to open carry. Many Sheriff's include the words "this permit does not allow you to open carry" on the CCP, as well as other restrictions that are not part of the law. Alabama is a "May" issue state. So here is the scenario...

1. I open carry, b/c it's legal;
2. LEO decides I'm not supposed to;
3. I get ticketed for disorderly conduct or some other misc. offense;
4. Sheriff revokes my permit as his "discretion".

Kinda sucks!! We are trying to get the legislature here to change the law so it is CLEAR that it is legal to OC and to make AL a "Shall Issue" state.

I think the OP's purpose was to show that he was not harassed by LEO for open carry in AL. Nothing more, nothing less.

JMHO,
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That's strange because on my permit I have no restrictions written on it at all. Are the restrictions varied depending on the county?

And normally I do CC but i wanted to see how it would turn out
 

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1. I open carry, b/c it's legal; I do the same. I am starting to love OC.
2. LEO decides I'm not supposed to;
3. I get ticketed for disorderly conduct or some other misc. offense; Not sure if it was the US Supreme court or not, but it was ruled that Open carry is not disorderly conduct, but that may just be specific to my state, sorry if it is.
4. Sheriff revokes my permit as his "discretion". I love Shall Issue
My replies are in bold
 

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LEOs commonly refer to gas stations in the early morning hours here as "Stop & Robs." Even in an OC state, walking into a Stop 'n' Rob at midnight with a holstered 1911 worn IWB in plain view seems more than a little "adventurous."

I love open-carry because if the wind were to blow my cover garment up and over my piece, or if my shirt got stuck up on my pistol for whatever reason, I wouldn't get in trouble for brandishing, so I consider open-carry more of a safeguard than anything. If I were you I'd keep it concealed whenever possible. I understand OC is indeed a personal decision many people make though, so don't take my previous sentence as a suggestion - I'm just saying, if I were you. I support OC for different reasons than most, I'd assume. Massad Ayoob has talked about it on at least one occasion, and I feel I'm mostly on the same page with his logic.

Anyhow, I'm glad everything went alright with you!
Just a friendly reminder, this is the OPEN CARRY topic section of the website. It is not the place to come and tell people that you think they should conceal. That gets threads closed down and people in trouble.

I used to live in Alabama and I never was brave enough to OC when we lived there even though the is an Alabama AG opinion that states OC is legal. It always just seemed that there were no LEOs that knew it was legal. I just didn't want to be the test case.

Glad it seems to be starting to change though...
 

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TN Mike,

You quoted my words , "If I were you I'd keep it concealed whenever possible," in bold. I believe you took my statement completely out of context. Immediately after I made that statement I wrote, "I understand OC is indeed a personal decision many people make though, so don't take my previous sentence as a suggestion..." I wouldn't tell anyone how to live their life. I was merely placing myself within his shoes. Theoretically speaking, my words were no different than you saying, "I just didn't want to be the test case." I don't think we'll have to worry about anyone getting in trouble or having this thread closed down as long as everyone follows the rules. So far there has been no breach in doctrine to the rules. Take care and keep enjoying DefensiveCarry.com!
 

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That's strange because on my permit I have no restrictions written on it at all. Are the restrictions varied depending on the county?

And normally I do CC but i wanted to see how it would turn out
It must vary. I am in Elmore County and have 6-8 restrictions on mine, including the following that are not restricted by "law" but by the conditions set on my permit by the Sheriff.

- no carry in public buildings
- no carry in establishments that serve alcohol;
- no carry while consuming alcohol;
- void if arrested for ANY reason.

Since AL is a "may issue" state I have no redress if the Sheriff decides to revoke my permit for violtaing any of these conditions. If we can get the state to "Shall Issue" then the Sheriff cannot place conditions on our permits above and beyond those of the State Law (which includes very few restrictions).

Where is Livingston County?

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Just a friendly reminder, this is the OPEN CARRY topic section of the website. It is not the place to come and tell people that you think they should conceal. That gets threads closed down and people in trouble.

I used to live in Alabama and I never was brave enough to OC when we lived there even though the is an Alabama AG opinion that states OC is legal. It always just seemed that there were no LEOs that knew it was legal. I just didn't want to be the test case.

Glad it seems to be starting to change though...
My wife's uncle is a local LEO and her aunt is an ADA in this county and neither of them knows the law. He actually told me it was illegal. I have yet to show him the AG opinion, but feel b/c it's dated 1984 I will get the "that's changed since then" response. I haven't been brave enough to OC b/c I do not wish to lose my permit to CC.

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It must vary. I am in Elmore County and have 6-8 restrictions on mine, including the following that are not restricted by "law" but by the conditions set on my permit by the Sheriff.

- no carry in public buildings
- no carry in establishments that serve alcohol;
- no carry while consuming alcohol;
- void if arrested for ANY reason.

Since AL is a "may issue" state I have no redress if the Sheriff decides to revoke my permit for violtaing any of these conditions. If we can get the state to "Shall Issue" then the Sheriff cannot place conditions on our permits above and beyond those of the State Law (which includes very few restrictions).

Where is Livingston County?

MT
Livingston is in sumter county. It's on the mississippi boarder. I now live in jefferson county though. I dont know if my permit will have more restrictions on it if i get it renewed here or not
 

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LEOs commonly refer to gas stations in the early morning hours here as "Stop & Robs." Even in an OC state, walking into a Stop 'n' Rob at midnight with a holstered 1911 worn IWB in plain view seems more than a little "adventurous."

I love open-carry because if the wind were to blow my cover garment up and over my piece, or if my shirt got stuck up on my pistol for whatever reason, I wouldn't get in trouble for brandishing, so I consider open-carry more of a safeguard than anything. If I were you I'd keep it concealed whenever possible. I understand OC is indeed a personal decision many people make though, so don't take my previous sentence as a suggestion - I'm just saying, if I were you. I support OC for different reasons than most, I'd assume. Massad Ayoob has talked about it on at least one occasion, and I feel I'm mostly on the same page with his logic.



Anyhow, I'm glad everything went alright with you!
I don't think mike took what you said out of context, but he probably did the exact same thing I did, and stopped reading your post as soon as he got to the "i would keep it concealed" part, because the forum heading states.....

This is not a place to debate the virtues of open vs concealed carry.

Why would you even make a post like that in a forum dedicated to discussion about open carry between people who open carry on a regular basis?
 

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I don't think mike took what you said out of context, but he probably did the exact same thing I did, and stopped reading your post as soon as he got to the "i would keep it concealed" part, because the forum heading states.....

This is not a place to debate the virtues of open vs concealed carry.

Why would you even make a post like that in a forum dedicated to discussion about open carry between people who open carry on a regular basis?

That's why it's always best to finish hearing out (or in this case reading) what someone has written before jumping the gun on making follow-up comments. In effect he did indeed take what I'd said out of context. In any case, why are you speaking on his behalf?

The fashion in which this thread was started left the original poster's actions up for critique or commentary. My reply to his post was pretty well rounded. My original post in this thread wasn't a flagrant attempt to disapprove of open-carry, or approve of it for that matter, but rather purely what I would have done in the original poster's shoes (As I explained earlier).

If we all take the time to start reading something someone has written, it only makes sense to finish it in order to avoid confusion which could cause meaningless argument and debate - which was exactly the circumstance in this particular instance. I find that I'm defending myself to some degree from what I feel to be personal attacks as a result, which is more than a little silly. In no way do I feel I ever purely discussed the "virtues of open vs. concealed carry." I kept things pertinent to the post that started this thread, and don't see any issues regarding formality. It's no good when a thread gets off track from a good start; which is exactly what has happened here. Get real guys. Now I better go watch some National Geographic to regain the the IQ points I've potentially lost from reading your post.
 

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im in madison county..i have a hard plastic permit that has no restrictions written on it but i also have a paper one that says "THIS DOES NOT PERMIT YOU TO CARRY OPENLY AS AN OFFICER".
 

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im in madison county..i have a hard plastic permit that has no restrictions written on it but i also have a paper one that says "THIS DOES NOT PERMIT YOU TO CARRY OPENLY AS AN OFFICER".


so do you carry openly or not?? id be inclined to leave the permit in the car since you need it for that and to OC sterile :p
 

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Well i found something i thought was interesting! on the back of my ccw permit there is a website for additional info go to this site, the AG office website! so i did just that! i was looking around and saw a link that says "contact the AGs office" so i decided i was gonna ask the office about this issue! well i clicked on the link and i got a pop up check attached pic. it says that they wont give legal advice to plan citizens! i then remembered reading something from the home page that seemed to lead me to believe that they would answer the question... this is what i read "Dear Friends,

I am pleased to have this opportunity to personally welcome you to the website of Alabama's Attorney General. It is my great honor to have the privilege of serving as legal advisor to the people of Alabama. We are constantly working to make this an enjoyable, informative, and useful place for you to learn about the Office of the Attorney General and to access many resources about state government"
there it says to the people of alabama but in the popup it says only to the state agencies, departments, and officers??
so....he says that he is the legal advisor to the people but then when u try and ask him a question he says oh cant help u if u are not state agencies, departments, or officers...im confused?? can someone explain?

here is the link to the home page
State of Alabama Attorney General's Office
 

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so do you carry openly or not?? id be inclined to leave the permit in the car since you need it for that and to OC sterile :p
no i dont OC but i would like to but i am to nervous. the sheriff here has a strict no OCing policy....
 

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Bigo,

That homepage is misleading for sure. It might take a little more research on your part to get to the bottom of it. Good luck man.
 

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Well i found something i thought was interesting! on the back of my ccw permit there is a website for additional info go to this site, the AG office website! so i did just that! i was looking around and saw a link that says "contact the AGs office" so i decided i was gonna ask the office about this issue! well i clicked on the link and i got a pop up check attached pic. it says that they wont give legal advice to plan citizens! i then remembered reading something from the home page that seemed to lead me to believe that they would answer the question... this is what i read "Dear Friends,

I am pleased to have this opportunity to personally welcome you to the website of Alabama's Attorney General. It is my great honor to have the privilege of serving as legal advisor to the people of Alabama. We are constantly working to make this an enjoyable, informative, and useful place for you to learn about the Office of the Attorney General and to access many resources about state government"
there it says to the people of alabama but in the popup it says only to the state agencies, departments, and officers??
so....he says that he is the legal advisor to the people but then when u try and ask him a question he says oh cant help u if u are not state agencies, departments, or officers...im confused?? can someone explain?

here is the link to the home page
State of Alabama Attorney General's Office
I would think you could still try and ask his opinion, rather ask him to clarify the difference between what the web site says and what the pop up says. All he can say is go suck an egg.
 
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