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I once saw a target with a picture of a pregnant woman pointing a gun at the shooter.

If this happened to you in real life would you:
A) Shoot center mass,
B) Go for a head shot,
C) Go for a extremity shot, or
D) Other?

I was out shooting scenarios this morning and remembered the target I described above. In discussing it, I still haven't come up with a definite answer.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Hard to say exactly where, it depends on the distance, if there's cover available, any by-standers, etc but I would take the shot. A gun doesn't care who pulls it's trigger and a woman (pregnant or not) can kill you just as easily as a man. It happens every day.
 

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Anyone pointing a gun/ shooting at me gets dropped. COM shot for me.
 

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I think we still see quite simply - a threat. Pregnant or not - disabled or not - young or old - a threat is a threat.

I doubt in such a situation we would have the luxury of time on our side to make decisions over placement specifics - it would be let the training kick in and deal with business best I could.

Still hope to never have to put this to the test.
 

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P95Carry said:
I think we still see quite simply - a threat. Pregnant or not - disabled or not - young or old - a threat is a threat.

I doubt in such a situation we would have the luxury of time on our side to make decisions over placement specifics - it would be let the training kick in and deal with business best I could.

Still hope to never have to put this to the test.

My thoughts exactly ....

... but what a great question for the forum!!!
 

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Guys read this article. Happened in my neck of the woods.

Former Marine kills would-be robber
Woman, armed men attack waiter walking home

By BILL MONTGOMERY, BETH WARREN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 05/30/06


A former Marine who police say killed a woman that attacked him during a gang robbery attempt told reporters Tuesday he acted only to save his life.

"My first instinct was to run," said former Cpl. Thomas Autry, 36. "Those kids were younger than me. They caught me and cornered me. It was about life preservation."

"I'm sorry this whole thing happened. I hate this world has gotten to the point where it is predatory," said a shaken Autry.

The pack of would-be robbers, including a 17-year-old woman, might have mistaken the tall, thin, waiter for an easy mark, said police. But, the bandits picked the wrong victim, said Atlanta police homicide Detective Danny Stephens. The former Marine, cornered by his pursuers on Penn Avenue at 4th Street, fought back with a pocket knife in a deadly melee that left the young woman dead and a man in his late teens seriously injured at a hospital.

Autry suffered minor injuries, including a cut to his hand.

The woman, identified as Amy Martin, had just had a birthday May 10, said Investigator Mark Gilbeau with the Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office. An autopsy was expected to be completed Tuesday. "Cause of death will be stab wounds, but we don't know how many yet," Gilbeau said.

Early reports were that Martin was pregnant, but the autopsy concluded otherwise, said the Fulton Medical Examiner's Office.

The teenager lived in an apartment at 3000 Stone Hogan Connector in southwest Atlanta, south of Greenbriar Mall near East Point, Gilbeau said. A young man also stabbed in the robbery attempt remained in critical condition, he added.

The identities of the surviving suspects, who Stephens said are believed to be linked to "a lot" of pedestrian robberies in Midtown and Virginia-Highland, were not released. They face aggravated assault and robbery charges, police said.

Autry will not be charged, Stephens said. "It was a clear case of self defense."

Stephens said Autry had left his job at the Jocks & Jills restaurant in Midtown and was walking along Penn Avenue when a blue Cadillac pulled alongside and three men, one armed with a shotgun, and the woman jumped from the car.

"This group had robbed two men on Piedmont earlier Monday night, taking a video camera and a cellphone," Stephens said.

"Autry takes off running, and they chase him. During the chase, Autry's trying to get into his backpack to get a pocket knife, which slows him down," Stephens said.

During the chase, Autry repeatedly yelled "fire, fire," which Stephens said attracted nearby residents' attention.

Grabbing the knife from his backpack, Autry managed to kick the shotgun from the man's hands and stabbed the woman in the chest, fatally wounding her. Stephens said. In the melee, Autry also stabbed one of the male suspects. Another suspect attempted to shoot Autry with a .380 pistol, which misfired, Stephens said.

The suspects ran back to the Cadillac and drove to Atlanta Medical Center, where police arrested them.

Autry, honorably discharged in 1992 after serving in Operation Desert Storm in Saudi Arabia, spoke to a gaggle of reporters from the porch of his apartment about six block north of the King Center in downtown Atlanta.

Autry recounted the attack, saying he first realize something was amiss when he saw a white cat scurry across the road. That's when he turned around and saw the armed attackers getting out of a stopped car.

He said his military training kicked in, but "what really helped me was growing up in New York."

He said he changed his locks after the incident because of security concerns.

When told that many in the metro area consider him a hero for his actions, Autry disagreed.

"The heroes are those guys out there fighting for us every day and not getting respect," he said, referring to military personnel fighting in Iraq and elsewhere. "That [killing the attacker] wasn't admirable, it was fight or flight and I tried the flight."



Guys,
The woman was said to be pregnant on the news but the autopsy proved otherwise. This just goes to show that no matter who it is A THREAT IS A THREAT AND IT MUST BE NEUTRALIZED.
 

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Guys,
The woman was said to be pregnant on the news but the autopsy proved otherwise. This just goes to show that no matter who it is A THREAT IS A THREAT AND IT MUST BE NEUTRALIZED.
This is the only thing that matters, eliminate the threat.
 

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All I see is good guys and bad guys, she gets dropped COM just like anyone else. It's just like medical emergencies, you don't see a 5yo hurt, you see a head injury with profuse bleeding, deformity and unequal pupils. I wouldn't see a pregnant women I'd see a threat with a gun.
 

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Would you shoot a pregnant woman who is firing at you? Or would you say aww its a pregnant "lady" trying to kill me, I'll let her shoot me.
Would you shoot a kid who is firing a gun at you? Or would you say aww, it's a kid, I'll let him shoot me.?

Age , race, sex, religion, pregnant / not pregnant, it doesn't matter, If they are trying to do harm to my family or myself, they are the target. It may sound harsh, but break it down to the simplest form.

It's them or me, and I have plans for the future that don't involve fertilizing flowers planted on my chest.
 

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I honestly dont know................................








do i get the popcorn, or the tinfoil hat for this thread ?
 

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tec said:
Would you shoot a pregnant woman who is firing at you? Or would you say aww its a pregnant "lady" trying to kill me, I'll let her shoot me.
Would you shoot a kid who is firing a gun at you? Or would you say aww, it's a kid, I'll let him shoot me.?

Age , race, sex, religion, pregnant / not pregnant, it doesn't matter, If they are trying to do harm to my family or myself, they are the target. It may sound harsh, but break it down to the simplest form.

It's them or me, and I have plans for the future that don't involve fertilizing flowers planted on my chest.
That is exactly what happened when a pregnant teen and her boy friend attacked and attempted to kill the GI in a different thread. Defend your self and deal with the guilt later, if you could do a head shot though they could keep her alive long enough to save the fetus at least, and you would likely be doing the kid a favor, abusive, drug abuser, boozer, hooker, choose your own reason why a woman with child would be stupid enough to risk her unborn child.
 

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If she is uncareing enough to disreguard the welfare of her unborn child........and.......she is such an uncareing individual as to act in complete disreguard for the welfare of my family that they could,thru her direct and deliberate actions cause them to have to live the rest of their life without my loving and careing devotion, then with total disreguard for my physical and emotional welbeing cause me to have to kill her ..............blah,blah,blah,blah.......you get the picture. -------
 

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Your Honor, ..I had no idea she was pregnant. I though she was extremely overweight. All I remember is her pointing the weapon at me! I thought I was going to die!

I shot her in self-defense.
 

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I'd say tunnel vision would prevail....

There were a couple of times when my wife was pregnant that I kept the guns locked up..... ;o)

Not because I was tempted to shoot her, the fear was the other way around...
 

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What hat is she wearing?
If it's black then yes because guns all look the same to me from the business end and she likely would not hesitate so neither would I, tit for tat.
If her hat is white or blue then no, I'd show her my own hat of same or similar color.

- Janq
 
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