Interesting - except a 4" barrel is not a snub nose - not by about an inch and a half (or more). That extra barrel length can make a relatively significant difference in how much difference in speed and penetration power there is between rounds. I know that a .38 +P will go through a combination of dense carpet, thick pad and subflooring when shot from a 2 1/2" snub nose. Do you need more penetrating power than that? Just something to think about.
Pretty Interesting
I am not trying to start nothing but I came across this guy on youtube and I just found it informative and interesting.
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The extra power gives recoil and a possiblity of a miss!!
With that extra power slower follow up shots only hits count!
Just me ill stick with a 800 plus per second full wadcutter and 158 SWC for reloads,
With that extra power slower follow up shots only hits count!
Just me ill stick with a 800 plus per second full wadcutter and 158 SWC for reloads,
Sounds like there's a story behind that, ShooterGranny!Interesting - except a 4" barrel is not a snub nose - not by about an inch and a half (or more). That extra barrel length can make a relatively significant difference in how much difference in speed and penetration power there is between rounds. I know that a .38 +P will go through a combination of dense carpet, thick pad and subflooring when shot from a 2 1/2" snub nose. Do you need more penetrating power than that? Just something to think about.
Very informative with real world information. I thought it was worth watching.
FWIW; I purchased some of the Buffalo Bore 38 Spl +P at 158 grain and I get 1050 fps from my S&W 642 snubbie.......Not the 1,250 fps from the snubbie magnum, but it does bridge the gap from 850 fps.
FWIW; I purchased some of the Buffalo Bore 38 Spl +P at 158 grain and I get 1050 fps from my S&W 642 snubbie.......Not the 1,250 fps from the snubbie magnum, but it does bridge the gap from 850 fps.
Never trust a self proclaimed professional that shoots his own video with a stain on his shirt! Never worry about starting something, it always will. Thanks for sharing. It is great information presented understandably.
Do tell us Granny, about your floor!
Do tell us Granny, about your floor!
1st off, ouch on the Buffalo Bore.Very informative with real world information. I thought it was worth watching.
FWIW; I purchased some of the Buffalo Bore 38 Spl +P at 158 grain and I get 1050 fps from my S&W 642 snubbie.......Not the 1,250 fps from the snubbie magnum, but it does bridge the gap from 850 fps.
2nd, wouldn't it of been a better comparison if he just used the 357s and shot both rounds through them?
Granny, did you watch the whole video? He tests the 4" barrels first, then moves to the snubbies later in the video to see how much velocity loss there is and how much difference in loss there is between the .38 and the .357.Interesting - except a 4" barrel is not a snub nose - not by about an inch and a half (or more). That extra barrel length can make a relatively significant difference in how much difference in speed and penetration power there is between rounds. I know that a .38 +P will go through a combination of dense carpet, thick pad and subflooring when shot from a 2 1/2" snub nose. Do you need more penetrating power than that? Just something to think about.
Sometimes it’s just plain fun to stoke the 2 1/2-inch S&W Model 19 with 357s just to let’er roar.
LOL Yea I love my steel Ruger sp101 2 1/4, Taurus steel M605 and my EAA windicator 2 inch. LOL I was the only one at my LTC/CHL class with a revolver my Taurus M605 and shooting .357 mag 158 grain rounds. Big difference in them 9mm, .40 and .45acp rounds going offSometimes it’s just plain fun to stoke the 2 1/2-inch S&W Model 19 with 357s just to let’er roar.
As I have posted on this sight many times, a 357 mag out performs the 38 special out of a snub nose. My hand loads were only giving up about 60 fops when tested using a GP100 4 inch barrel and a S&W Mod 60 with a 2.25 inch barrel. I was probably using a faster burn powder than Remington green box. If you watch most of the nimrods that compare the 38 to the 357, they are using some watered down, low recoil, short barrel 357 round. Those rounds are not true magnums and if you test them out of a longer barrel they still come up weak.
I don't care what round you use for self protection, 38 will do a fine job with the right ammo, but it ain't on the same level as 357. As most of you know the formula for energy starts out velocity X velocity.
I don't care what round you use for self protection, 38 will do a fine job with the right ammo, but it ain't on the same level as 357. As most of you know the formula for energy starts out velocity X velocity.
Dude doesn't know what a snubnose revolver is. Would like to see this with a 1.85" snubby. I've got a feeling his numbers would be a lot closer.
Yep, miss my snubby 19, she definitely let out a howl with full patch loads.Sometimes it’s just plain fun to stoke the 2 1/2-inch S&W Model 19 with 357s just to let’er roar.
Can't say I've been a fan of 357 J frames. Harder to control and slower for follow up shots. I personally opt for less punch and more control.
JMHO
Obviously I didn't watch the whole thing. Too long to watch something that wasn't of "that much" interest to me.Granny, did you watch the whole video? He tests the 4" barrels first, then moves to the snubbies later in the video to see how much velocity loss there is and how much difference in loss there is between the .38 and the .357.
To the others: Yes, there is a story behind what a +P will penetrate and that WAS the story. Yes, it was a ND. Not accidental. Negligant. Fortunately no harm done except for my poor old ears which honestly have not been the same since.
Sorry to hear that happened. I hope the damage to your hearing heals completely. I can't imagine how loud that would be in an enclosed space. Yikes!Obviously I didn't watch the whole thing. Too long to watch something that wasn't of "that much" interest to me.
To the others: Yes, there is a story behind what a +P will penetrate and that WAS the story. Yes, it was a ND. Not accidental. Negligant. Fortunately no harm done except for my poor old ears which honestly have not been the same since.
I'm waiting for somebody to do the ultimate Ruger LCR shootout video, .357 vs. 38 special vs. 9mm. :image035:
I think I know the winner. :wink:
I think I know the winner. :wink:
I always find it interesting when someone ELSE tells me that something is interesting. I've always kinda' thought that was sorta' up to...ME to decide?. :blink:
Before the .40 and the improved 9mm the .357 was the ultimate man stopper maybe still is.
Say what you will but IMHO the .357 will live forever. When it comes down to medium caliber handguns there isn't much it can't do. Almost perfect.
Just FYI. Cumulative hearing damage never really heals.
Take care of your ears folks with high quality hearing protection.
You don't want to end up with permanent shooting related tinnitus like I have.
Trust me on that. :yup:
Do not skimp on the hearing protection.
Take care of your ears folks with high quality hearing protection.
You don't want to end up with permanent shooting related tinnitus like I have.
Trust me on that. :yup:
Do not skimp on the hearing protection.
Sorry to hear that happened. I hope the damage to your hearing heals completely. I can't imagine how loud that would be in an enclosed space. Yikes!
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