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Well, the situation was pretty uneventful, but here goes.

On Dec. 15, 2018, my wife and I had to drive down to Denver to attend our daughter's graduation which was being held at the Event Center. Thanks to the Denver traffic situation, we were running late, the graduation was scheduled to start at 6 PM and we arrived in downtown a few minutes before 6. We were in a rush to find a parking spot so pulled into a rather poorly lit lot at 13th and Tremont. The lot has a walk-up kiosk so we parked the car and walked up to the kiosk. I had noticed a guy hanging out on the street corner as we walked across the lot to the kiosk and was trying to keep an eye on him when we entered the kiosk. I was trying to read the instructions and keep an eye on the dude as he began to cross the street toward the lot, behind my back. He entered the lot and was headed for the kiosk where we were standing when I put my wallet back into my pocket and told my wife that she'd need to perform the transaction. I took up a position a few feet from her where I could watch her 6 and keep an eye on the dude. As he approached, I stuck my hand into my coat pocket where the 357 Airweight was residing. I was very suspicious because why would a dude hanging out on the street corner need to do business at a parking lot kiosk? He stopped a couple of feet behind my wife and stuck his hand into his hip pocket and began withdrawing what appeared to be a folding knife. At that point, my 357 was still in my coat pocket but trained on the dude. I made a simple statement, "Turn around, walk away". He stood frozen for a few seconds, apparently trying to process what was happening and what his options were, after which he turned and walked back the way he came. My wife finished the transaction at the kiosk, we withdrew the parking permit, placed it in the car and began the walk toward the Event Center. The dude had taken up position again near the street corner, across the street from the lot as we walked away, the last we saw of him. We made it to the Event Center only around 10 minutes late, saw the graduation, made it back to car and got the heck out of Denver.

A note about situational awareness here, I'd scanned the lot and surrounding area when we driving into the lot and as we got out of the car and had picked up on the dude hanging out near the street corner, but my wife had not. Even as he entered the lot and approached, she still failed to pick-up on the dude. She was completely unaware until I made the "walk away" statement to the dude and at that point she was a bit confused by the situation until I explained it to her as we left the lot. I probably should have pointed out the dude to her prior to his approaching her back, I was still in a "it could be something, might be nothing" mode until he began to withdraw the knife from his pocket. Anyway, all's well that ends well.

The existence of metal detectors and no-carry policies at various venues in downtown makes us vulnerable and I simply refuse to be put in that situation any more than necessary. They can have their policies and I will simply not go to those locations.

BTW, there are other good reasons to avoid Denver such as being #1 in the country for auto theft and the fact that Denver is actively working to make traffic congestion worse by adding such things as bike lanes by deleting car lanes. They're also diverting money from roadway expansion projects to transit projects and bike lanes.
I saw this in this mornings news:

“It's important that we're investing in ways that allow those people to walk, bike — connected things without always having to drive,” said Danny Katz, executive director of the Colorado Public Interest Research Group (COPIRG).

While "mild" on the surface, that is an outstanding example of how your carry gun and your engagement protocols helped to prevent what could have become a fundamentally life changing event for you and/or your wife.

No doubt if the same thing happen at the mall in question, the perp would be the victim.
 
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Logic will never get in the way of anti gun policy.
The logic of many of those in power pushing for gun control know exactly what they are doing. They are very logically pushing to be able to more easily control people. The ones who are running on emotion and not logic are most likely the useful idiots.
 

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Just curious. How could they “ban” you from entering without any controls on mall access. Honor System?


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Criminal trespass.
 
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Update: So, my wife and I came back through Atlanta heading back home to VA in the morning. That's right! We're here in our hotel room now and we're down the street from that mall. We went back in there earlier today to let my wife hit a few stores that she missed when we came through a few days back. I stood on the top floor above where these scanners are to watch how they worked. Interestingly, I saw two things:

1st, the scanners made a dinging sound when females with big purses walked through. At the top of the escalator was a cop sitting at the table. When the person got to the top of the escalator the cop would say; "Excuse me! I need to look inside your bag!" The cop peaked in their bags and then said, "Thank You!" and the people left.

2nd, the scanners had a flashing red light and the dinging sound whenever mall police (with a gun on their hip) went through the scanners and up the escalators.

I went downstairs and asked the officer the reason for this equipment and of course, they told me it was for mall security due to recent criminal activity in the area and at that mall; especially firearms-related incidents. The cop got really comfortable with me when I told him that my Dad is a Retired Chief of Police in Mississippi (the truth) and he said; "Man! We even have dogs that are trained to sniff out the gunpowder of those carrying weapons."

Crazy!
 

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Update: So, my wife and I came back through Atlanta heading back home to VA in the morning. That's right! We're here in our hotel room now and we're down the street from that mall. We went back in there earlier today to let my wife hit a few stores that she missed when we came through a few days back. I stood on the top floor above where these scanners are to watch how they worked. Interestingly, I saw two things:

1st, the scanners made a dinging sound when females with big purses walked through. At the top of the escalator was a cop sitting at the table. When the person got to the top of the escalator the cop would say; "Excuse me! I need to look inside your bag!" The cop peaked in their bags and then said, "Thank You!" and the people left.

2nd, the scanners had a flashing red light and the dinging sound whenever mall police (with a gun on their hip) went through the scanners and up the escalators.

I went downstairs and asked the officer the reason for this equipment and of course, they told me it was for mall security due to recent criminal activity in the area and at that mall; especially firearms-related incidents. The cop got really comfortable with me when I told him that my Dad is a Retired Chief of Police in Mississippi (the truth) and he said; "Man! We even have dogs that are trained to sniff out the gunpowder of those carrying weapons."

Crazy!
I would have asked why they want to patronize and insult armed non-criminal citizens.
 

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I'd be dumping a bit of gunpowder in my pockets, shaking it out, and be waiting for the dog to go nutso.
Lots of fun to be had at that mall. I would make enforcement of their "policies" as painful and cumbersome as possible. Stupid should hurt.
 

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Lots of fun to be had at that mall. I would make enforcement of their "policies" as painful and cumbersome as possible.
I've got all day to play games, officer. What time do you go off shift?
 
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I've got all day to play games, officer. What time do you go off shift?
I would also demand armed escort to and from my vehicle- make Paul Blart workout a bit.
 

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makes me wonder about those folding two shot transformers that at rest look like a cell phone....if all they are going to do is glance and wave you on.....

of course i would also probably try to find an old steel drill bit box, and a few other things just because such machines and their reasons in malls irritate me....
 

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makes me wonder about those folding two shot transformers that at rest look like a cell phone....if all they are going to do is glance and wave you on.....

of course i would also probably try to find an old steel drill bit box, and a few other things just because such machines and their reasons in malls irritate me....
When you adopt the attitude that you will be armed, figuring out ways to defeat their dumbassery becomes kind of fun.
 

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Well, the situation was pretty uneventful, but here goes.

On Dec. 15, 2018, my wife and I had to drive down to Denver to attend our daughter's graduation which was being held at the Event Center. Thanks to the Denver traffic situation, we were running late, the graduation was scheduled to start at 6 PM and we arrived in downtown a few minutes before 6. We were in a rush to find a parking spot so pulled into a rather poorly lit lot at 13th and Tremont. The lot has a walk-up kiosk so we parked the car and walked up to the kiosk. I had noticed a guy hanging out on the street corner as we walked across the lot to the kiosk and was trying to keep an eye on him when we entered the kiosk. I was trying to read the instructions and keep an eye on the dude as he began to cross the street toward the lot, behind my back. He entered the lot and was headed for the kiosk where we were standing when I put my wallet back into my pocket and told my wife that she'd need to perform the transaction. I took up a position a few feet from her where I could watch her 6 and keep an eye on the dude. As he approached, I stuck my hand into my coat pocket where the 357 Airweight was residing. I was very suspicious because why would a dude hanging out on the street corner need to do business at a parking lot kiosk? He stopped a couple of feet behind my wife and stuck his hand into his hip pocket and began withdrawing what appeared to be a folding knife. At that point, my 357 was still in my coat pocket but trained on the dude. I made a simple statement, "Turn around, walk away". He stood frozen for a few seconds, apparently trying to process what was happening and what his options were, after which he turned and walked back the way he came. My wife finished the transaction at the kiosk, we withdrew the parking permit, placed it in the car and began the walk toward the Event Center. The dude had taken up position again near the street corner, across the street from the lot as we walked away, the last we saw of him. We made it to the Event Center only around 10 minutes late, saw the graduation, made it back to car and got the heck out of Denver.

A note about situational awareness here, I'd scanned the lot and surrounding area when we driving into the lot and as we got out of the car and had picked up on the dude hanging out near the street corner, but my wife had not. Even as he entered the lot and approached, she still failed to pick-up on the dude. She was completely unaware until I made the "walk away" statement to the dude and at that point she was a bit confused by the situation until I explained it to her as we left the lot. I probably should have pointed out the dude to her prior to his approaching her back, I was still in a "it could be something, might be nothing" mode until he began to withdraw the knife from his pocket. Anyway, all's well that ends well.

The existence of metal detectors and no-carry policies at various venues in downtown makes us vulnerable and I simply refuse to be put in that situation any more than necessary. They can have their policies and I will simply not go to those locations.

BTW, there are other good reasons to avoid Denver such as being #1 in the country for auto theft and the fact that Denver is actively working to make traffic congestion worse by adding such things as bike lanes by deleting car lanes. They're also diverting money from roadway expansion projects to transit projects and bike lanes.
I saw this in this mornings news:

“It's important that we're investing in ways that allow those people to walk, bike — connected things without always having to drive,” said Danny Katz, executive director of the Colorado Public Interest Research Group (COPIRG).

It is getting very difficult to drive anywhere in Denver.








The last time I was downtown, the electric bikes were a menace. You almost want to knock them over. I do not go very often.
 

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It is getting very difficult to drive anywhere in Denver.








The last time I was downtown, the electric bikes were a menace. You almost want to knock them over. I do not go very often.
I was downtown Saturday for a thing for my kid- the electric bikes are indeed a menace but worse was the homeless guy on a bike that was particularly intoxicated at 9am.

If this guy is one of the 140 that is going to get $1000/month then I doubt we'll have to pay out all $12,000 for a year- I wonder how much his burial will cost us.
 

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