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I've built a few already for people... and even a couple of .40's.

To me, a 10mm carbine would be a wicked little shooter. The people that have them love them. The Quarter Circle 10 GLF (Glock large frame) will do both the .45 and the 10mm...in fact all you would have to do is switch the barrels out.

With a 16 " barrel it would easily take deer.
 

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What about the ones that are mainly parts guns. The ones you do not care about fit or finish. The ones that look like hell to start with, because if you run with them long enough they are going to get scarred up. The ones that all you care about is durability and enough accuracy to do the job. And generally do not want much in them, for if they get broken up, or end up in a lake you can walk off and leave them and are not going to worry much about them. These are my favorites.
 

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I've built a few already for people... and even a couple of .40's.

To me, a 10mm carbine would be a wicked little shooter. The people that have them love them. The Quarter Circle 10 GLF (Glock large frame) will do both the .45 and the 10mm...in fact all you would have to do is switch the barrels out.

With a 16 " barrel it would easily take deer.
10mm carbine is new to me, and for deer/hogs would be nice.
 

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10mm carbine is new to me, and for deer/hogs would be nice.
And it works very well for both. Plus, you have the option of loading a 180 grain bullet to 1000 fps for suppressed use with a bullet that expands to about the size of a nickle even at suppressed speeds, unlike a lot of suppressed rifle bullets.

Then you have both quiet and deadly.
 

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And it works very well for both. Plus, you have the option of loading a 180 grain bullet to 1000 fps for suppressed use with a bullet that expands to about the size of a nickle even at suppressed speeds, unlike a lot of suppressed rifle bullets.

Then you have both quiet and deadly.
Your toys are okay and all but....:image035:

Im building an AR right now. Purpose, PIGS.....
 

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Your toys are okay and all but....:image035:

Im building an AR right now. Purpose, PIGS.....
And what are you doing to suit the rifle to PIGS?
 

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And what are you doing to suit the rifle to PIGS?
1:7 twist for heavier bullets. reflex sight, or maybe an illuminated reticle still havent made the choice yet. Im looking into IR and night vision, but will see....
 

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My purpose built AR's . Stag arms 16" carbine for outdoor/distance use. Andro Corp upper /Anderson lower pistol 7" barrel for close in and automotive use. Much easier to swing a AR pistol inside even a truck cab and in my state it is still a pistol which falls under my chl permit.
Sasha had to get into the pic too.
 

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I know this thread is a little dated, but didn't want to start a new thread with this already here. I'm seriously thinking about my first, and honestly probably only, AR. I think what I want is something like the 0-200 rifle in buckeye.45's OP. Primary purpose HD, secondary purpose some competitive shooting - but only to make me better at using it for it's primary purpose. Pretty sure I want a red dot sight (suggestions welcome here) and a light (same).

I have an acquaintance at work who says I can save money building my own. He is an experienced builder, has all the tools, and says he will help me for free. Or I could do a pre-built gun - I'm thinking DDM4-V1 as a front runner, maybe Spikes second?? When I start pricing stuff out I get confused. I simply don't know enough and once I think I have everything together, I'm not sure that my cost savings isn't because I've sacrificed quality somewhere. Help?
 

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I have a few dozen AR's and they each have a purpose. Here's one of them.
Its short..5" barrel. This one has the Troy collapsible stock.
It's light.
It's 9mm and can use the 20 round Colts style mags if you are cramped for space or the longer 32 round mags if you aren't.

It has a single point sling on the stock. You can hang it under your arm and cover it up with a shirt to conceal it if need be.

I chose the Trijicon MRO Rd Dot sight. Although it isnt cheap, you can just leave it on for 5 years and not have to worry about it.

It is an SBR and at 25 yards it will obliterate the bulls eye. At 100 yards it'll put all on a B27 target without much effort. Its small enough to go in a pack or sit on your lap in the truck when times are hard.

I have a 3 lug mount on it for easy on/off of a suppressor.

I love this little gun.



Another pic shown with a standard AR for size comparison.

I had to do a double check on that top AR, it looks exactly like one of the rifles I upfitted for my department. Except for the rounded trigger guard.
 

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I know this thread is a little dated, but didn't want to start a new thread with this already here. I'm seriously thinking about my first, and honestly probably only, AR. I think what I want is something like the 0-200 rifle in buckeye.45's OP. Primary purpose HD, secondary purpose some competitive shooting - but only to make me better at using it for it's primary purpose. Pretty sure I want a red dot sight (suggestions welcome here) and a light (same).

I have an acquaintance at work who says I can save money building my own. He is an experienced builder, has all the tools, and says he will help me for free. Or I could do a pre-built gun - I'm thinking DDM4-V1 as a front runner, maybe Spikes second?? When I start pricing stuff out I get confused. I simply don't know enough and once I think I have everything together, I'm not sure that my cost savings isn't because I've sacrificed quality somewhere. Help?
I find that most of the savings from building come from the fact that I only wind up buying a particular part once. For example, if I go buy a complete rifle off a rack, the odds are that I will want to change the trigger, pistol grip, handguard, buttstock, etc... once i get the rifle. So unless I buy a bare rifle to begin with, I am paying for two of each of those (granted I can try to sell the old ones to get some cash back). When I build, I just buy each item once.

Buy quality components from well known manufacturers. BCM, Daniels Defense, Spikes, etc... That way you will know you are not sacrificing quality for components.
 

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I find that most of the savings from building come from the fact that I only wind up buying a particular part once. For example, if I go buy a complete rifle off a rack, the odds are that I will want to change the trigger, pistol grip, handguard, buttstock, etc... once i get the rifle. So unless I buy a bare rifle to begin with, I am paying for two of each of those (granted I can try to sell the old ones to get some cash back). When I build, I just buy each item once.

Buy quality components from well known manufacturers. BCM, Daniels Defense, Spikes, etc... That way you will know you are not sacrificing quality for components.
Thanks for the reply, buckeye. My challenge here is that I don't know what I will or won't like, so if I buy components I stand just as much of a chance of buying the wrong grip or buttstock as I do if I buy a complete rifle. So maybe for a first purchase, a complete rifle that comes out of the box ready to shoot and has some sort of warranty behind it is a better choice. I'm not a big tinkerer either. I'm not looking to win any three gun competitions, nor am I "an operator". I want a solid, quality rifle that I can use for RELIABLE self defense purposes, and maybe pass on to my grandkids.

So I'm thinking BCM or DD with a 16" milspec barrel and trigger. I might upgrade trigger to a cleaner single stage trigger, but I doubt I'll find myself running a two stage Geissele anytime soon. But wait...maybe just the trigger and one other item (I do like a sexy pistol grip) make building my own worth it. Great...back to the calculator.
 

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...My challenge here is that I don't know what I will or won't like, so if I buy components I stand just as much of a chance of buying the wrong grip or buttstock as I do if I buy a complete rifle...
You're in LUCK! This is a universal & legitimate concern, most EVERYone does it & has it. So here's the trick. Become a skilled shopper/swapper/negotiator. Join some AR forums (beyond our BEST one). Watch the buy/sell sub forums. There will ALWAYS be folks that bought something to "try" that they didn't eventually "like". Let THEM pay the NIB retail. YOU, on the other hand, pay wholesale, lightly-used prices to the rich & impatient. Most every multiple AR guy that I know has scads of extra (mix & match) parts. Beyond the lowers, they're just non-restricted cake icing. Because, my friend, you are never, EVER gonna' be completely satisfied, perfectly happy with ANY single AR. So put yourself in a position to be "mostly happy" with...a BUNCH of 'em! :image035:
 
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Thanks for the reply, buckeye. My challenge here is that I don't know what I will or won't like, so if I buy components I stand just as much of a chance of buying the wrong grip or buttstock as I do if I buy a complete rifle. So maybe for a first purchase, a complete rifle that comes out of the box ready to shoot and has some sort of warranty behind it is a better choice. I'm not a big tinkerer either. I'm not looking to win any three gun competitions, nor am I "an operator". I want a solid, quality rifle that I can use for RELIABLE self defense purposes, and maybe pass on to my grandkids.

So I'm thinking BCM or DD with a 16" milspec barrel and trigger. I might upgrade trigger to a cleaner single stage trigger, but I doubt I'll find myself running a two stage Geissele anytime soon. But wait...maybe just the trigger and one other item (I do like a sexy pistol grip) make building my own worth it. Great...back to the calculator.
Well, If you want a solid basic rifle, and to make it yourself, I would do something like this:

Get a stripped lower from a local FFL: $50-100. Get a metal one, stay away from the hybrid/polymer. I can routinely find Anderson lowers for $50-60 locally. They are perfectly serviceable. If you want to spend a little more for different markings or logos, those options exist too.

Get a BCM LPK: $100-120. The grip is solid and the BCM PNT trigger is a solid step up from a mil-spec single stage. The parts are well known, and quality $100-120

Stock: Depends on what you want, I like the BCM gunfighter stock kit, but have also used a bunch of magpul stocks over the years. Let's say you go with the BCM gunfighter stock kit, it also has the buffer, tube, spring, and a QD end plate. Currently $113 on their website.

So, after the lower, we are at somewhere between $263-333 (plus, maybe shipping depending on where you buy from). A BCM complete lower receiver, which would be close to identical, except for the markings on the lower, can be had for $395 (plus FFL fees).

And then you can add whatever quality upper you want to that, and be on the way to having a pretty darn good rifle at a decent price.
 

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More great info, buckeye, but I'm still confused.

Stripped lower $70
BCM LPK $120
BCM gunfighter bsk $115
BCM 16" mid length KRM Alpha upper $685
BCM Bolt carrier group $170
BCM Charging handle $50
Magazine $20

So I get a total of $1,230 for that, which is about $200 less than the complete gun. Sound about right?
 

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More great info, buckeye, but I'm still confused.

Stripped lower $70
BCM LPK $120
BCM gunfighter bsk $115
BCM 16" mid length KRM Alpha upper $685
BCM Bolt carrier group $170
BCM Charging handle $50
Magazine $20

So I get a total of $1,230 for that, which is about $200 less than the complete gun. Sound about right?
Pretty much.

Then you have the other things you may want/need. Optic, sights, sling, more magazines, etc...

Although you will be buying those either way probably.

A Colt LE6920 would be a good option too (although I generally prefer mid-length gas systems).

You could probably also find something from Spikes for less than that.

It all really depends on how much you want to spend,and what features you want. I have rifles I have put together that go as low as about $500 assembled, to well north of $1,000.
 
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