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Gun background check compromise, assault weapon ban fail in Senate
58 to 42; a GOP-backed amendment that would have permitted “national reciprocity” of state-issued concealed carry permits,
If nation wide reciprocity were to pass, and every state would be required to honor the license of every other state, how would that impact your carry in another state? For example, when you take your driver's license to another state, you may operate a motor vehicle, but you must drive IAW the motor vehicle laws of that state. You must obey their speed limits. Montana may have higher limits than your state, so you can go their speed. Rhode Island may have lower limits than your state, so you must go their speeds.

What about registration or emmission laws? CA has more strict emissions laws than my state, but I don't need to convert my car to enter CA. FL has different trailor registration laws than my state, but I don't need to get a FL trailor license. CO requires front and rear license plates, but I don't need to buy a second plate to enter CO.

To me, this means if you were to enter another state concealed, you need to stay concealed, but wouldn't need to take rounds out of your magazine. You may not be able to keep the gun in the glove box, but you wouldn't need to register the gun in that state. What other implications of details will anti-gunners use to road block what should be such a simple idea?
 

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I had mixed emotions about this bill. For one I don't really want the Feds getting involved in how this process works. But I have to say I thought a vote of 58 - 42 was a wake up call to those other states that don't allow CCP's and I bet it scared the pants off of them. It caused Schumer to mess his britches I am sure. He was genuinely scared! He even started stammering about states rights at one point. I think it was the closest to passing of any of the amendments wasn't it?
 

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I had mixed emotions about this bill. For one I don't really want the Feds getting involved in how this process works. But I have to say I thought a vote of 58 - 42 was a wake up call to those other states that don't allow CCP's and I bet it scared the pants off of them. It caused Schumer to mess his britches I am sure. He was genuinely scared! He even started stammering about states rights at one point. I think it was the closest to passing of any of the amendments wasn't it?
I agree. Maybe even stronger, than just "mixed emotions" -- but reject it on principle.

I'm not just a 10A'er when it suits my preferences on various issues.

As you pointed out "[Schumer] was genuinely scared! He even started stammering about states rights at one point." Funny, how many folk champion States' rights when it advances their agenda and turn around and dispute them when States' rights are championed against their agenda.
 

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It is a moot point.
The anti gun people don't try to block it....they simply add pork to it as is the case with any legislation; hence we have grid lock.
None of the amendments should pass. Some look deceptively ok on their face but further examination will show follow on wording is dangerous to the 2A.
 

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Back to the topic, I don't think about it since it did not pass.
 

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On the other hand they acted some what like middle school kids...... The basically democratic bill was defeated first and then the middle schoolers defeated amendments proposed by republicans.....
 

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I'm torn between agreeing that it's a states right and supporting a bill that would essentially restore your right to bear arms in a state that decided to take away that ability. I think there's a valid argument either way. My fear is that what may start as a pro-gun bill will get amended at some point to add restrictions that apply to every state. With that in mind, I think would be better if the citizens of each state fight to improve their concealed carry laws.
 

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With less than 67 votes in favor of it, it does not matter.
 

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We are lucky the senate rule is 60 votes to prevail........ Keep in mind we lost on a majority vote....... We still have lots of homework to do folks............
 
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Bloomberg wants his 12M back............those commercials sucked.

How's Cuomo lookin' now New York.....?
You'd think a fat cat like Bloombooger woulda' heard of Buyer Beware long before now... Cry us a river BloomBooger you morfrodite trogledite butthead. Bloombooger wants his Mammy!!:gah: :mad: :blink:
 

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Here's one anti-gun roadblock: if we have nation wide reciprocity, we need a national gun ID. Really? Just for guns? Not driving?

One more: some states take a"crazy" look at liberty and treat their residents like adults. AZ and AK let you carry simply because their Constitution recognizes the right to self defense. i thing AZ will issue an ID if you ask. So anti-gun states might say they won't let you carry because your state doesn't issue ID's (VT). Every state must let you vote if you are a resident, but not bear arms? They fight voter ID, but push a national gun ID?

The entire national ID is a false argument. This is too easy.
 

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For the sake of what-ifs, I would think it would work much like States that reciprocate now. I have a Florida CHL and when I drive through Georgia, SC, NC, and into VA all of those states recognize my FL CHL but I have to abide by the laws of each individual state when I am there. I would not see this as being any different if it had passed or does pass at some point in the future.
 

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I'm actually glad it didn't pass as I'm sure there would be a Federal data base involved.
 

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The only real issue I have with it is the fact that the Fed's would then have a toe-hold on weapons permits. I don't want the Feds involved, thank you very much.

What I would prefer to see is that every state become a constitutional state and allow people to exercise their 2A rights with no hassle. Then it wouldn't matter: those that choose to own a gun simply own and carry their gun, just as those that choose to own a car own and maintain and use their car.
 

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Gun background check compromise, assault weapon ban fail in Senate


If nation wide reciprocity were to pass, and every state would be required to honor the license of every other state, how would that impact your carry in another state? For example, when you take your driver's license to another state, you may operate a motor vehicle, but you must drive IAW the motor vehicle laws of that state. You must obey their speed limits. Montana may have higher limits than your state, so you can go their speed. Rhode Island may have lower limits than your state, so you must go their speeds.

What about registration or emmission laws? CA has more strict emissions laws than my state, but I don't need to convert my car to enter CA. FL has different trailor registration laws than my state, but I don't need to get a FL trailor license. CO requires front and rear license plates, but I don't need to buy a second plate to enter CO.

To me, this means if you were to enter another state concealed, you need to stay concealed, but wouldn't need to take rounds out of your magazine. You may not be able to keep the gun in the glove box, but you wouldn't need to register the gun in that state. What other implications of details will anti-gunners use to road block what should be such a simple idea?
Actually you would need to remove rounds if you are going to be held to their laws. Two examples of that, using cars, if the state has highly restrictive window tinting laws, and your car is tinted darker than allowed, you can (though probably won't be, ticketed for it. Same with vehicle height. While your state might allow a vehicle to be jacked up to 33 inches, another may only allow 30 inches. If you are operating a 33" vehicle in a state with a 30" restriction, you can be ticketed for it.
 

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I'm glad it failed. I'd rather see a nation-wide constitutional carry bill. The whole permitting system is terrible, anyways. I can't carry a gun without my little laminated piece of paper or I am committing a crime? Give me a freaking break. I'm not a felon. I'm not a criminal. This country needs to quit treating the right to bear arms as a privileged and treat it as it is. A right. Leave the honest law abiding citizens alone and focus on the problem. Criminals.
 

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Actually you would need to remove rounds if you are going to be held to their laws. Two examples of that, using cars, if the state has highly restrictive window tinting laws, and your car is tinted darker than allowed, you can (though probably won't be, ticketed for it. Same with vehicle height. While your state might allow a vehicle to be jacked up to 33 inches, another may only allow 30 inches. If you are operating a 33" vehicle in a state with a 30" restriction, you can be ticketed for it.
Sorry, I don't buy this for one second. I would need attorney proof, not just a cop who wrote a ticket to a tourist who paid to avoid the hassle.
I was stopped in FL by an officer who said I needed a trailer license plate. I explained than MN puts their registration sticker on the trailer tongue. The truck had MN plates, and I offered to show him my MN insurance, registration, and get out and show him where the trailer registration was. He gave me some flack about, "We'll, you're in Florida now." He hassled me, then let me go.

My point is he realized that I didn't need to get plates just to drive through his beautiful state. Neither do you need a CA emissions standard sticker to travel through CA. I believe you will not be ticketed in MI for having the wrong tint if your car is registered and insured out of state.

THIS is my point. The "national registry", or "national ID" is a bogus argument started by progressives, but hits a nerve with our community. There is no drivers license registry or database. You have a permit from another state? Fine. You may now CC here. In CC only states, you must remain concealed. Open carry states...live free.

This is too easy. It only gets mired when anti gun progressives start crying about "blood in the streets" or "for the safety of our children". :mad:
 
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