[SC Tiger]

Hi everyone. I have a bit of a dilemma on my hands. My current CCW is a Kahr PM9, but I am considering something even smaller for a "throw in the pocket" gun, as the Kahr is a little too big for a comfortable pocket carry. This would be for when I can't carry the Kahr because of wardrobe or other issues. About the only pistols that seem to meet this requirement are the Kel-Tec P3AT, the Ruger LCP and the Taurus 738 series. I stumbled upon a gun/pawn shop that has all three available, and all for the same price ($300.00). I've ruled the Kahr P380 out because they are so expensive and very hard to find.

I'm leery of the taurus as every time I consider purchasing one there seems to be someone in the store with one complaining to the sales person about something wrong with it, so basically I'm down to the Kel-Tec and the Ruger. My concerns are reliability, concealability (but both seem to be about the same in this regard) and customer service. Which gun would be a better purchase, for the same money? I've had good luck with Ruger in the past but that was with revolvers and .22 autos. I've never had one of their centerfire autos before.

Thanks.

 

[SIXTO]

The Ruger is a little more refined. But, Ruger blatantly ripped off KelTec's design, and that doesn't sit well with me.
I go to say that Keltec's customer service is grade A, Ruger is OK at best. For those reasons, I'd buy the KelTec.

 

[kahr]

take the ruger, much better. I own an LCP myself, a kel tec is a cheaper looking version. 300.00 for the ruger is a good price, they usually go for 350 when you can find one.
as for the pm9 if your looking to part with it let me know.

 

[Cycler]

take the ruger, much better.

On what do you base this opinion?

 

[SC Tiger]

They are basically carbon copies of one another. One feature on the Ruger I like is the slide lock.

Will the mags interchange?

One more question - the Ruger I looked at had a yellow dot on the side. Is that the mark that the recall work has been completed?

 

[bmcgilvray]

I've had this Kel Tec now for a little over four years and it's been fired about 1200 times. My brother-in-law has a Ruger LCP. The Ruger is better looking but functionally the same. The Kel Tec had some reliability issues at first. The Ruger was reliable but he had to send it back for the recall.

If I hadn't already gone the Kel Tec route I'd probably try the Ruger LCP but it isn't worth it to switch. Besides, I do my best to carry something more effective than a runt .380. I only got it because it is a far better choice than a .25 ACP when one desires something to really hide on his person.

 

[tns0038]

There are a bunch of threads regarding both the Ruger and the Kel-Tek

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/defensive-carry-guns/94083-ruger-lcp-thoughts.html

is a recent one regarding the Ruger, that came to mind, and I’m sure there are many many more.

Mind you both pistols are of the category, “carry often and shoot seldom”. So if you’re looking for a range gun, both are not for you. But, if you’re looking for a fine pocket pistol, then you can’t go wrong with ether.

I own the Kel-Tek, but if Ruger had been producing the LCP when I purchased the Kel-Tek I would have given it equal consideration.

So far I’ve shot the little Kel-Tek a total of about 100 times, and it has never had any hiccups, and it cycles hollow point ammo great. The only issue is when loading the firs hollow point requires you to release the slide, so the round will drive home hard and quickly, but other than that it works great.

 

[kahr]

On what do you base this opinion?

ya, I know ruger copyied the keltec, but look at the kel-tec, looks like its been glued together. they should take the time to improve there product. ruger did.:wave:
i've looked at both of them, ya for alittle more money the lcp is a better looking ccw. I know they both are made to carry and not for shooting at the range.
just my opinion.

 

[Gideon]

Keltec
-Should be cheaper than the LCP. It's not priced right if it's the same or the LCP is discounted
-Keltec has a better grip but this is subjective

LCP
-Better fit and finish; just a better looking gun

I have both and see no other advantages of one over the other. The slide lock on the LCP is worthless. It does NOT lock back after you fire the last round. It's only so you can lock the slide to the rear by manually pressing the slide lock in place as you hold the slide to the rear.

As far as how they shoot and handle, their identical but mags are NOT interchangeable.

Some will argue that one is more reliable than the other. No way to know or prove that in my opinion. Mine are both 100% although I did have to send my LCP back for recal.

Get the one you like the best because performance wise they're the same. As for "ripping of the design", they didn't. They copied it but the KelTec design didn't have any copy right on it. It was fair game.

Gideon

 

[10thmtn]

The slide lock on the LCP is useful for inspection, cleaning, and helping to load the first round. I also wish it locked open after the last round is fired.

That said, I would get the LCP over the P3at for this reason alone, if they are priced the same.

I have had very good luck with Ruger's customer service. They repaired my 10/22 and sent me a part for a M77 Mk II bolt rifle - no charge. My wife's LCP was subject to the recall - the repair took a while, but it has worked well.

I like the LCP so much, I just bought another one.

 

[LCPcarrier]

I have been reading the Defensive Carry Forum for a while now and decided to join because of this thread. My LCP is a fine gun and I haven't had any issues with it. I bought it about a year ago. I did compare it to the Kel-Tec and felt that the LCP was a sturdier gun and better choice for me.
If I were you , I'd look at the construction and then make a choice.

 

[toaster]

The LCP is slippery!

 

[Cycler]

i've looked at both of them, ya for alittle more money the lcp is a better looking ccw.

just my opinion.

Hopefully, no one will ever see your CCW.

I don't own either but if I were to buy, I'd probably get the KT as it's cheaper and apparently not as slippery as the LCP. I don't think that there's any real data to support the LCP being "better" than the KT in any department other than looks (although the slide lock is kinda nice)

 

[jahwarrior72]

take the ruger, much better. I own an LCP myself, a kel tec is a cheaper looking version. 300.00 for the ruger is a good price, they usually go for 350 when you can find one.
as for the pm9 if your looking to part with it let me know.

to be clear, the Ruger is a more expensive looking version of the Keltec. the LCP may be nicer looking, but i don't see myself paying an extra $100 for a ripped of design.

i had the P3AT for awhile, and it was 100% reliable. i just couldn't afford the ammo anymore, and decided to consolidate all my ammo to just .45ACP and .38 Special. but, if i ever go back to .380, i'd get another Keltec.

 

[kahr]

I have been reading the Defensive Carry Forum for a while now and decided to join because of this thread. My LCP is a fine gun and I haven't had any issues with it. I bought it about a year ago. I did compare it to the Kel-Tec and felt that the LCP was a sturdier gun and better choice for me.
If I were you , I'd look at the construction and then make a choice.

WELCOME aboard

 

[Blue Jacket]

I own/carry the LCP with no complaints. Well maybe one, it is snappy to shoot. I would suggest if you purchase the LCP look at the serial number. If you do not want a recall model, the serial number must start at 371-*****.

 

[SC Tiger]

Next question - does the LCP have a lifetime warranty? I read through the owners manual on line but did not see anything about it.

Supposedly the Kel-tec has a lifetime warranty.

 

[gottabkiddin]

I have the and LCP and I did compare the two side by side when I made my purchase. Would I make the same decision again? Yes, better fit and finish to me equates to a better overall production on the pistol which should equate to a better performing pistol overall IMO. I have several hundred rounds DR and not a problem. Is the LCP a better pistol than the KT? I don't have a clue, but if I'm dropping cash on the table for a pistol, I'll take the prettier one, cause I'm shallow like that. YMMV

GBK :bier:

 

[cmb]

LCP not +P rated as far as I know, KT is for limited use, If I used hp's in 380 which I don't but just sayin if I did I'd want corbon's +P's...

Something to consider... I like the KT grip over the LCP but if you carry it in contact with your skin (IWB) it rubs, LCP is more refined, have shot both and had no problems with either, both shot well enough for their purpose.

personaly I bought a P32 though mainly for ammo availability though that has gotten better, there is one more round, it is a smidgen lighter though probably not noticeable...

Considering all are new or equal in condition, the LCP is post recall and I only shoot fmj in 380, I'd get the LCP...

 

[rammerjammer]

I compared the two and chose the LCP. They are mostly the same gun except for the slide lock on the LCP and the less refined look of the Kel-Tec. I would never choose a gun based on looks alone, but the Kel-Tec does look like it was made in a Chinese garage.

Try renting both at your local range and then decide.