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What I got from the video is that Mr. Herrell spends lotso money on Shasta orange soda. :yup:
Check out his latest video the 500000 subs f.a.q. video there is a small portion devoted to Shasta and his failed attempt at getting Shasta to sponsor him.
 

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Me, you, Brownie, Gordon. Admittedly the talking got rather heated, and redundant.
That explains why I haven't saw some people posting. Starting looking up users and found out they had been banned. Apparently I missed the excitement. :)

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I really don't care what caliber you all shoot. I care about what the Bad Guy is shooting at me.
"'Scuse me, sir--what caliber is that you are shooting at me? Oh, I see, they are hitting the dirt well in front of me. 9mm then."
 

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Hornady ammo manufacturer data:
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun/9mm-p-luger-124-gr-xtp-american-gunner#!/
9mm XTP 124 +P muzzle energy 380# energy at 100 yards 276#
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun/45-auto-p-230-gr-xtp#!/
45 XTP 230 +P muzzle energy 461# energy at 100 yards 385#
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun/10mm-auto-180-gr-xtp#!/
10mm 180 XTP muzzle energy 650# energy at 100 yards 443#

Underwood 10mm 180 velocity 1,300 fps has a muzzle energy of 676#
https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/10mm-auto-180-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point?variant=18785724923961

As an easy to remember generalization, 10mm has KE at 100 yards that 45 acp has at the muzzle. 9mm aint even in the game.
 

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The real sad news for those who think anything in the video is sad news for 45 carriers is that people carrying a 45 could care less about the trash talking people who prefer other calibers heap on the 45.
 

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First let me state that while not a big fan of the .45, I'm not against it. It's a favorite of one of my characters in my books for the great benefits it has in military combat situations. I still back the notion that if you like it and can shoot it well, fine. You make your own decision and as far as I'm concerned, any service caliber is a great gun to carry. However, there was a rather interesting video presented here about a year ago of an officer taking a rather long shot at a suspect. Long shots are rare, but maybe one should consider this downfall of the .45.


For longer shots, the 9mm retains much more energy than the subsonic .45. At "normal" self-defense ranges 7-10 yards, the .45 is still probably the high energy leader. Out to 25 yards, the 9mm shines. I believe the police shooting in the video about a year ago was about 20 yards as I recall.
LOL! I'll stick to my .45s........somehow I'll try to stop sobbing.

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It depends on how far away one's assailant is. Two yards or one hundred, deadly force would be justified.
There are a lot of folks that say 25 yards is the limit for deadly force in a civilian encounter. Just for grins, I paced off the distance from the entry door to the first aisle of produce in our local WalMart. The distance was 40 steps, or 20 Paces. I’m 6’6” tall, so a step is approx 3’, which means a pace is 6’. 6x20 is 120’, divide by three, that’s about 40 yards.

40 yards, with no cover and damn little concealment. Draw your own conclusions...
 

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I don't know where people get these weird numbers that civilians are not supposed to shoot. The vegetable aisle at my local grocery store is roughly 110-15 yards long, and probably 70' across. Sure, there are mid-height chillers, but the view above them has no obstructions outside of a few holidays with plants on a couple of the displays. If it comes down to it, shooting could need to be done from one end to the other. There a couple of other long stretches like it.

Depending on what the situation is, the choice to run away might be the wrong one. Too many unknowns to make any concrete statements.
 

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There are a lot of folks that say 25 yards is the limit for deadly force in a civilian encounter. Just for grins, I paced off the distance from the entry door to the first aisle of produce in our local WalMart. The distance was 40 steps, or 20 Paces. I’m 6’6” tall, so a step is approx 3’, which means a pace is 6’. 6x20 is 120’, divide by three, that’s about 40 yards.

40 yards, with no cover and damn little concealment. Draw your own conclusions...
"I'll just run away", I quote sarcastically.
 

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First off, I did not waste my time reading all 5 pages of posts.

ANY caliber can fail/succeed given the right circumstances.
I had a 45 Colt 250gr XTP @ just shy of 1900fps fail on a coyote last winter. He messed up my perfect broadside from 20 yards when he turned to look at me as I squeezed the trigger.
Bullet hit him right between the eyes, followed the skull and exited out the back just above the spine. Flipped him clear over and anchored him long enough for a second shot.

Also had a failure to stop on a raccoon with a 9mm from about 10 feet. https://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-ammunition-ballistics/451268-failure-stop.html
I still carry a 9mm as my EDC.
 

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Also had a failure to stop on a raccoon with a 9mm from about 10 feet. https://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-ammunition-ballistics/451268-failure-stop.html
I still carry a 9mm as my EDC.
"I had an unscientific bullet test last night.
I hit a 30-35lb raccoon with my car. He was busted up but still alive so I decided to put him out of his misery.
A head shot at 10ft should have been a decisive end.

9mm Hornady Critical Defense 115grn FTX shot from my Glock 19-4.
First shot just made him mad! A quick double tap put him out of his misery."


"I still carry a 9mm as my EDC".



That example makes me not want to carry 9mm.
 

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Hornady ammo manufacturer data:
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun/9mm-p-luger-124-gr-xtp-american-gunner#!/
9mm XTP 124 +P muzzle energy 380# energy at 100 yards 276#
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun/45-auto-p-230-gr-xtp#!/
45 XTP 230 +P muzzle energy 461# energy at 100 yards 385#
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun/10mm-auto-180-gr-xtp#!/
10mm 180 XTP muzzle energy 650# energy at 100 yards 443#

Underwood 10mm 180 velocity 1,300 fps has a muzzle energy of 676#
https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/10mm-auto-180-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point?variant=18785724923961

As an easy to remember generalization, 10mm has KE at 100 yards that 45 acp has at the muzzle. 9mm aint even in the game.
You forgot Underwood 185 grain 45 Super.
 

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"I had an unscientific bullet test last night.
I hit a 30-35lb raccoon with my car. He was busted up but still alive so I decided to put him out of his misery.
A head shot at 10ft should have been a decisive end.

9mm Hornady Critical Defense 115grn FTX shot from my Glock 19-4.
First shot just made him mad! A quick double tap put him out of his misery."


"I still carry a 9mm as my EDC".



That example makes me not want to carry 9mm.
What I'd really like to carry would be an Abrams, but I haven't found a way to effectively conceal it, yet.
 

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First let me state that while not a big fan of the .45, I'm not against it. It's a favorite of one of my characters in my books for the great benefits it has in military combat situations. I still back the notion that if you like it and can shoot it well, fine. You make your own decision and as far as I'm concerned, any service caliber is a great gun to carry. However, there was a rather interesting video presented here about a year ago of an officer taking a rather long shot at a suspect. Long shots are rare, but maybe one should consider this downfall of the .45.


For longer shots, the 9mm retains much more energy than the subsonic .45. At "normal" self-defense ranges 7-10 yards, the .45 is still probably the high energy leader. Out to 25 yards, the 9mm shines. I believe the police shooting in the video about a year ago was about 20 yards as I recall.
I saw nothing, in this video, that tells me anything not known by the early Nineties, if not earlier. This will not affect my willingness to carry a 1911 pistol, loaded with 230-grain JHP. In actual fact, my three usual defensive handgun types are full-sized 1911 .45 ACP, Glock 17 9MM, and mid-frame .38/.357 revolvers, so, I am not defending any specific cartridge. In each case, I use good controlled-expansion ammo.

The only one of my three defensive cartridges, that I expect to produce enough hydrostatic shock to really matter, in a living target, would be full-velocity 125-grain .357 Magnum, fired from barrels 4” or longer. I only load this, these days, in GP100 revolvers, which can damp the recoil sufficiently, and this is not a daily thing. I have aged-out of thinking that recoil is fun.
 

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This video was back in the 80s, ......When we OLD FOLKS were around and carrying our Wiz bang guns.......must be about 8 different segments to it... VERY interesting indeed...
It helps to resolve the myths and accuracy of calibers.....Newbies should either get a hoot from it, or LEARN something from it..:yup:... Either way.... it's a GREAT watch party :yup:
 
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