[TX expat]

The UFC appears to be supporting Glover Teixeira and his support of the "common sense" gun control push. The UFC hosts his anti-2A commercial on their website and they've even promoted it on Facebook.

Demand Action ? UFC Superstar Glover Teixeira | UFC &reg - Media

Time to send in some letters and withdraw my financial support...

It does kinda make me wonder if this is an attempt to get New York legislature on their side so they can get MMA legalized in NY (Demand Action and Bloomberg are like flies and...). Not that it matters much, they can wither away and turn to dust for all I care. The UFC won't see another dime of my money if this is the political ideology they choose to support.

Worst part is that buffoon Teixeira isn't even American. Really??? Like anyone gives a pile of horse droppings what a non-American thinks about our Constitution and our rights guaranteed therein. Stay in Brazil if you don't care for our laws... Oh that's right, Brazil has a violent crime rate over 4 times higher than the USA, more unregistered, illegal guns than legal ones, and much stricter gun control laws than the US. Guess a few too many hits to the cranium has jostled the "common sense" meter a little too much.

 

[AZJD1968]

I would be very interested to hear Dana White's view on this. FWIW. Here is an article from April 16, 2013.

http://www.armoryblog.com/news/dana...irt-is-the-ufc-letting-gun-companies-back-in/








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[chuckusaret]

I would assume that he wore the Sig t-shirt for one reason alone, $$$$$$$$. During my sons racing days he received kick backs for wearing a a certain hat, certain t-shirt and got big bucks if he made mention of certain companies while being interviewed on the winners podium. He seldom had the opportunity to stand on the podium:smile:

 

[OldVet]

Never watch the crap. Consider the participants to sadistic barbarians. The public raises hell when boxer is killed in the ring, but this sort of brutality only seems to attract a crowd. No less civilized than the Roman Coliseum.

 

[DontTreadOnI]

Never watch the crap. Consider the participants to sadistic barbarians. The public raises hell when boxer is killed in the ring, but this sort of brutality only seems to attract a crowd. No less civilized than the Roman Coliseum.

Except for the rules, lack of weapons and not being a fight to the death. Other than that, no less civilized. :wink:

 

[kriller1217]

Except for the rules, lack of weapons and not being a fight to the death. Other than that, no less civilized. :wink:

Lol!

 

[suntzu]

Never watch the crap. Consider the participants to sadistic barbarians. The public raises hell when boxer is killed in the ring, but this sort of brutality only seems to attract a crowd. No less civilized than the Roman Coliseum.

It is a sport, just like boxing. Folks choose to participate and others choose to watch. I am not a big fan of MMA but watch it with my son. I used to box from 16 to 22 years old.

I look at it like this: runners compete to test their skill against others, chess players the same. Swimmers, gymnasts, all have skills. Boxers also. I do not dispute the barbarism of it, since the point of the sport is obvious. But, think about this: look at every pro athlete and the journey that got them there. Kids today in baseball are ruingin their arms at a young age pitching because coaches abuse them, gymnasts have a hosts of injuries, and some are not only career ending, they are disabling. Football and hockey players play with concussions because coaches and parents either are ignorant about, or ignore the symptoms.

I played hockey, lacrosse, boxed, and ran cross country. Out of all of the those sports (and beleive it or not cross country), my boxing coaches always seemed to care about my health more than the other coaches. My son is interested in MMA and I have met the folks where he trains. They are pretty upstanding folks and care about the fighters.

One thing about MMA I like over boxing is the sportsmanship and class of the fighters. There is much mutual reespect and not much trash talking like in boxing..and in tennis these days LOL (Y! SPORTS). I am sure that will change eventually, sadly. But to each his own. My own sister wouldn't come to a boxing match.

OT: I will still watch MMA. There are getting to be way too many things to boycot. Plus, I doubt there will be a serious dent with boycotting since there is no real competitor to go to. UFC is by far the largest...before then it was Pride.

 

[Jaeger]

No less civilized than the Roman Coliseum.

Perspective. Rome WAS the most civilized place on the Earth at the time, hands down. They actually had written laws there, there were citizens who had rights, and everyone was not the property of the strongest (king). As barbaric and backwards as they seem to us, don't forget that outside those city walls it darkness, pain, and suffering on a scale that makes the arena seem like a Bible study.

 

[hammer2213]

Never watch the crap. Consider the participants to sadistic barbarians. The public raises hell when boxer is killed in the ring, but this sort of brutality only seems to attract a crowd. No less civilized than the Roman Coliseum.

Unless you personally know fighters, don't judge their breed. I and many of my friends are fighters, as well as my father. He is and air force veteran of 23 years and many more that are very successful members of society. Rich Franklin former UFC champ was a school teacher. It takes a special kind of person to climb into that cage/ring. A true test of what you are made of. Untill you are willing to do the same don't judge those that do.

 

[suntzu]

Never watch the crap. Consider the participants to sadistic barbarians. The public raises hell when boxer is killed in the ring, but this sort of brutality only seems to attract a crowd. No less civilized than the Roman Coliseum.

Followup: It is a barbaric sport.....that does not mean that folks participate are sadistic barbarains. War is barbaric, but soldiers are not barbarians.

 

[OldVet]

Perspective. Rome WAS the most civilized place on the Earth at the time, hands down. They actually had written laws there, there were citizens who had rights, and everyone was not the property of the strongest (king). As barbaric and backwards as they seem to us, don't forget that outside those city walls it darkness, pain, and suffering on a scale that makes the arena seem like a Bible study.

And I'm sure the Christians being fed to the lions appreciated having to die by the rules. Being the most civilized doesn't necessarily translate as being civilized. But if some of you wish to get in a ring and beat someone bloody, knock them senseless, or choke them into unconsciousness--or watch such an enlightening spectacle--have at it. It's not being served up on my dish. I'd like to reserve such efforts as a last resort.

 

[OldVet]

Followup: It is a barbaric sport.....that does not mean that folks participate are sadistic barbarains. War is barbaric, but soldiers are not barbarians.

I'd like to hold our military to a higher level and purpose than UFC, but that doesn't mean some participants aren't brutal and sadistic--either way.

 

[Oldpsufan]

I like the Romans, they had orgies.

 

[Pistology]

What UFC Superstar du jure, Glover Teixeira, says, as one of countless UFC fighters, doesn't motivate me to boycott my gym. Dana White, despite a business deal with FOX that excludes weapons and hunting sport sponsors, seems worthy of my support. Who says what in a crowd of free-speaking folks, or who sponsors who won't matter in a fight for my life. Turn off the TV and train.

 

[hammer2213]

And I'm sure the Christians being fed to the lions appreciated having to die by the rules. Being the most civilized doesn't necessarily translate as being civilized. But if some of you wish to get in a ring and beat someone bloody, knock them senseless, or choke them into unconsciousness--or watch such an enlightening spectacle--have at it. It's not being served up on my dish. I'd like to reserve such efforts as a last resort.

And how will you know you have the ability to use them as a last resort when you have not tested them! Fighters do it because they love it. To compare it to christians being fed to lions is ridiculous! Fighters do it to test themselves against each other. It also helps a lot of people. I myself was a fairly angry agressive kid. I was smaller than most kids my age with red hair and freckles. People tried to "bully" me. But I was never one to stand down. It got me in plenty of trouble. My dad got me into MMA and boxing at 15, by 16 I hit a ridiculous growth spurt, gained 30lbs of muscle and grew about 6 inches. With all my training I gained a lot of confidence in my ability to defend myself. I didn't need to beat up some punk in high school I knew i could make him look stupid and seriously hurt him why prove it. I walked away from a lot of fights after training. I mean I fighting professional cage fighters everyday at 15 what could some gangster punk my age really do to me. So I would let them do their talking and smile and let it go. Without MMA who knows what kind of teenager I would have been or what kind of person I would be now.

 

[TX expat]

Unfortunately Suntzu is correct, there's getting to be way too many things to boycott. Unlike him though, I will boycott it. It sucks. I like MMA. However my Second Amendment rights are far more important and I don't care about putting a dent in their bank account as an individual. I do care that I'm not giving them money to promote a cause that I am in direct opposition to as an individual. As a group, if every gun owner stood behind their rights, even when it hurts or isn't convenient, then we absolutely would make a noticeable dent and give companies like the UFC a reason to take stock of what is really important.

The UFC is entertainment and to my knowledge, nobody ever died from lack of entertainment...

 

[Pistology]

I respect your convictions and your expressions of them, TX expat. I just don't see how Glover Teixeira rates as identifying with the whole of a loose outfit like UFC. The UFC president speaks louder but really just primus inter pares ("the first among equals" to showoff my Latin).
I get a good deal from a good UFC gym with good trainers. Good product for good price. There's no PC pressure. Just best and consistent performance. No boycott for me.

 

[torgo1968]

Except for the rules, lack of weapons and not being a fight to the death. Other than that, no less civilized. :wink:

I had my own response but this is better in fewer words.

As for the original topic, this is very disappointing. Companies like this should be apolitical. I can't base my purchasing decisions on whether I agree 100% with everything the owner or company does. I'd never buy anything. But I can't stand when a company takes a side in a very heated controversy, it's presumptuous, insulting, and unprofessional.

 

[OldVet]

And how will you know you have the ability to use them as a last resort when you have not tested them! Fighters do it because they love it. To compare it to christians being fed to lions is ridiculous! Fighters do it to test themselves against each other. It also helps a lot of people. I myself was a fairly angry agressive kid. I was smaller than most kids my age with red hair and freckles. People tried to "bully" me. But I was never one to stand down. It got me in plenty of trouble. My dad got me into MMA and boxing at 15, by 16 I hit a ridiculous growth spurt, gained 30lbs of muscle and grew about 6 inches. With all my training I gained a lot of confidence in my ability to defend myself. I didn't need to beat up some punk in high school I knew i could make him look stupid and seriously hurt him why prove it. I walked away from a lot of fights after training. I mean I fighting professional cage fighters everyday at 15 what could some gangster punk my age really do to me. So I would let them do their talking and smile and let it go. Without MMA who knows what kind of teenager I would have been or what kind of person I would be now.

Well how about that. I'm red-headed and freckled also, and I had my share of fisticuffs with the bullies as a youngster also. But at 61, I long ago figured out that intentionally busting noses and blackening eyes as proof of being macho or for sport was pretty stupid overall. It took a few years in the service and a little more age to figure that out. You want to get in a ring and mash noses, go for it. When some one tougher comes along (and one will) and gives you a permanent case of the "Ali Shakes" you have only yourself to blame. I don't need to prove anything to anyone.

To each his own--go bash brains if it makes you feel manlier. And it was you who brought up how civilized the Romans were. I only rightly countered your claim.

 

[TX expat]

I respect your convictions and your expressions of them, TX expat. I just don't see how Glover Teixeira rates as identifying with the whole of a loose outfit like UFC. The UFC president speaks louder but really just primus inter pares ("the first among equals" to showoff my Latin).
I get a good deal from a good UFC gym with good trainers. Good product for good price. There's no PC pressure. Just best and consistent performance. No boycott for me.

Well I would say that it absolutely reflects on the whole UFC when the UFC organization is playing host to the video and the UFC organization is promoting the video with their social media outlets. If Glover did it on his own and the video was playing on his website and it were showing up on his Facebook, then it would reflect on just him and I wouldn't hold the UFC accountable. That, however, is not the case. They are guilty by their association, which in this case, goes way beyond the simple fact that Glover is a UFC fighter. I'm a pretty reasonable guy, so I don't believe that I'm being unfair to make the association based on the UFC's promotion of the video.

Also, I could argue that the UFC has a very long standing and well publicized history of taking fighter's actions outside the cage very much as their business. Make an insensitive statement toward women, or a minority and Dana will see you fined and suspended. I guarantee you if one of his fighters made a video promoting the KKK, he most certainly wouldn't stand by and claim that the fighters have the right to self expression outside the ring. He'd be an ex-UFC fighter faster than you can spell KKK, and you know I'm right. If "free speech" isn't free within the organization, then you absolutely have the right to draw parallels to what the UFC supports by what they allow.

I'm not saying that there aren't good things coming out of MMA, and I do like the sport very much. However if you give your money to the UFC organization by buying fights or buying UFC sponsored merchandise, or anything else that directly generates revenue for them, then you should at least recognize where that money is going. If they want to host anti-2A commercials featuring one of their fighters then they will have to do it without any more of my money; it's that simple.