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I do not have my CCP yet but I am planning on taking it within the next month. I am thinking about getting a Kahr to carry but that model does not have a safety. This tends to bother me. Do people carry without one in the chamber or is this not a problem with a good holster?
 

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It's much the same as carrying a revolver. Heavy, smooth, deliberate trigger pull needed to discharge. Get good leather that covers the trigger, and practice good trigger discipline.

Practice holstering and drawing with the gun empty. (TRIPLE CHECK!!) But don't carry without one in the pipe. You then just have a small hammer.
 

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Quite a few popular carry guns do not have manual safetys. As long as you keep your finger off the trigger you're fine.
 

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I can appreciate your concern. If we grow up hunting with rifles and shot guns (or we're in the military) then we're constantly using and thinking about a safety, but I can assure you, for CCW a manual safety is less than optimal which isn't to say it's bad or anything, it's just not the best.

In defensive weapons handling, you're only deploying your weapon as a response to certain circumstances and basically when you pull it, it's with the full intention of having (and being prepared) to use it. In such a situation you have little time to think and you're immediately scared and the body startes to do things in response to the threat. Fine motor skills go out the door, we tend to go into slow motion with tunnel vision and the body is dumping addrenaline like crazy so the less you have to manipulate controls on a purely defensive weapon the better.

Although you'll get MANY different opinions on this, I believe a DAO (double action only) trigger is also optimal for a defensive weapon. If a gun is a single action, then it takes too little preassure to pull the trigger. In a DAO gun (wether auto or revolver) it typically takes more pounds of preassure to pull the trigger and the trigger usually has to travel a longer distance (pull weight and lenght of pull) before the weaon discharges.

When you're all excited/scared, you don't want the lightest shortest pull. Those triggers are great for hunting or target shooting but not for defensive shooting.

The Kahr weapons are designed for one purpose, CCW. As a result they have the fewest possible controls and they're DAO, albiet probably the lightest shortest DAO out there.

The key to safety here (besides the longer pull lenght) is keeping the trigger covered in a good holster and keeping your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot your target.

CCW is a very different mentality. Follow the 4 rules and you'll never have a problem. Ignore 1 or more of the 4 rules and a safety won't be enough to keep you safe.

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A Kahr was my first handgun and I had many of the same concerns. I always carry with one in the chamber now. The Kahr has a long, smooth trigger pull, not unlike a revolver. If you buy a good holster and practice safe firearm handling you won't have a problem
 

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I like the XD's grip and trigger safetys, no manual safety to disengage but still gives me a little added peace of mind
 

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Actually, there is a new PM9 model (PM9193 & PM9193N) that should be available now or in the very near future. These models DO have an external safety and a loaded chamber indicator.

I prefer my PM9 without these, but I suppose it is a good offering for folks worried about carrying a gun without a safety.
 

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None of my CC weapons have a safety, the best safety you have is between your ears. Practice, practice, practice, if the finger does'nt pull the skinny lever the firearm will not go bang!!
 

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Striker fired pistols are designed to be carried with a round in the chamber. Using basic safety practices and a quality holster, carrying with a loaded chamber is perfectly safe.
 

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Actually, there is a new PM9 model (PM9193 & PM9193N) that should be available now or in the very near future. These models DO have an external safety and a loaded chamber indicator.

I prefer my PM9 without these, but I suppose it is a good offering for folks worried about carrying a gun without a safety.
Made for those states that require a safety. Here it is...

 

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None of my CC weapons have a safety, the best safety you have is between your ears. Practice, practice, practice, if the finger does'nt pull the skinny lever the firearm will not go bang!!
Unless, of course, something else DOES pull the trigger.:blink:

Too many NDs have happened while holstering handguns, because folks don't take the time to ensure their holster is clear of clothing, etc.

I also do not like external manual safeties, for all the reasons stated. I run Glocks, and like the "trigger within a trigger" safety, which at least keeps the trigger from getting pulled by something that catches the edge of the trigger. Kahr lacks this feature.

That said, I treat my Glock with respect, because I know it WILL fire if the trigger is pulled while it is loaded. I'm OK with that. Keep the pistol in a holster that covers the trigger, take your time and pay attention while holstering, and you'll be ok!
 

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I have various firearms both with and without manual safeties. My Every Day Carry (EDC) is a Glock-36, and the safety on that is my finger. Isn't that always the last safety on the list?

Stay armed...it's a finger thing :yup:...stay safe!
 

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I carry Glocks all the time, and I aint shot myself yet...nor anything else for a lack of manual safety.
 

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My EDC when I get my permit will more than likely be my SA-XD 9mmsc, and it doesn't have an external safety. It does have a grip safety and the double trigger (like Glocks), as well as a chamber indicator and a cocked indicator (Not that anyone should rely on them). Like everyone else has said, the basic safety rules and a good holster should be more than enough.

Now my girlfriend doesn't carry (yet...), but she keeps the Bersa .380cc near her while at the house. I like the external safety that it has for her, because while she knows the safety rules and doesn't handle the gun unless she really needs to, I just feel better.
 

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I have a CW9 that's been reliable since day1. The longer trigger pull of the Kahr, is more like that of a double action revolver, just not as heavy. Don't worry about external safeties...Only worry about the most important internal safety, your brain....
 

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I dont see anything wrong with an external safety.

My EDC is a 1911, and after shooting it for a while, disengaging the safety becomes part of the draw, especially when drawing from my safariland, as my thumb falls from the retention lever directly into place on the safety just as it clears the holster.

Plus, in the unlikely event that a BG gets control of my gun, most of theme are so used to "point-and-click" DAs, that they may not even know how to disengage it...

It's a time-proven design, and I trust my life to it.
 

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I'll admit that at first it took me some time to get used to the idea of no manual safety, but now I very much prefer it that way on a carry gun.
 

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All of my guns are DAO with no manual safeties. As others have mentioned, you should definitely buy a holster that covers the trigger and practice, practice, practice drawing the gun and re-holstering it with no ammo. I carried from day one with a round in the chamber for one simple reason. You may not have a free hand or the ability to rack the slide when you need it most.
 

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Very good post Gideon. +1
 

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I carry a CZ75B W/ the hammer at half cock (according to the manual the weapon is designed to be carried this way)

When I first started carrying I carried a 1911 but due to safety concerns I carried in cond. 3. One morning I got jumped in a parking lot and in the panic of the moment I forgot that I didn’t have a round chambered. Luckily my assailant saw the gun coming up and changed his mind. to be clear at the time the attack started he was already too close for me to have chambered a round even if I hadn't panicked

Lessons learned: Never carry on an empty chamber 2. Under stress the fewer actions you have to take the less likely you are to miss a step. I try to keep my panic drills as simple as possible, a safety is just one more task you have to complete under pressure.
 
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