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No retail business is going to spend the money to implement this technology to prevent concealed carriers from entering their business.
It'll be out as a $5 smart phone app. People already own the phones. There's no "spending the money" to implement anything.

My take on no-guns signs is that they're for liability engineering. If there is a shooting in a store, someone is injured or killed, and there is a lawsuit, if the store didn't have a no-guns sign up, they think that a plaintiff's lawyer will try to use that against them at trial.
Totally agreed. That's what we get when we allow lawyers to run things. They don't know how to manage risk. All they know is how to minimize risk.

If we let them run the Air Force, they'd ground all aircraft.
 

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It'll be out as a $5 smart phone app. People already own the phones. There's no "spending the money" to implement anything.



Totally agreed. That's what we get when we allow lawyers to run things. They don't know how to manage risk. All they know is how to minimize risk.

If we let them run the Air Force, they'd ground all aircraft.
Minimizing risk is managing risk.
 

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To detect concealed guns, they'll need sensors that aren't in smart phones (think millimeter wave radar.) So, no it will NOT be a smart phone app. Also, if the retailers wanted to do this, it would have to be fixed installations at their entrances, so likely some sort of dedicated device. To set up to produce the device will be expensive, and companies tend to charge more for products sold to businesses. This will not make it a popular thing, especially since it make the retail absolutely nothing. So ramping up production (and bringing down costs) will be difficult.

In short, it isn't going to happen.


It'll be out as a $5 smart phone app. People already own the phones. There's no "spending the money" to implement anything.
 

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To detect concealed guns, they'll need sensors that aren't in smart phones (think millimeter wave radar.)
Didn't watch the video, did you?

So, no it will NOT be a smart phone app.
It's already a smart phone app. It's still in alpha testing, but it works.

The only difference between training smart phone AI to recognize a pistol and differentiate it from thousands of other things and training smart phone AI to recognize shadow variations of imprints and differentiate it from thousands of other things, is time.

In fact, it might not even take as much time, as shadow variations aren't nearly as unique as specific firearms. Many imprints are common among many firearms and holsters.

It's like the quote from one of the Terminator series:

Kyle Reese: Who is in charge here? Shut up ! You still don't get it do you? He'll find her! It's what he does. It's ALL he does!

Also, if the retailers wanted to do this, it would have to be fixed installations at their entrances, so likely some sort of dedicated device.
While are you talking about "installations," "dedicated devices," and "expensive?"

Cell phones. The AI-trained app runs on cell phones.

To set up to produce the device will be expensive...
I can buy a decent AI-app-capable cell phone for $250.

...and companies tend to charge more for products sold to businesses.
What about the cell phones sold to 85% of humans in America? Half of all store employees will already have it.

This will not make it a popular thing, especially since it make the retail absolutely nothing.
When managers are convinced that something is wrong, they don't care about popularity. All they care about is stopping that which they believe is wrong.

Many retail stores are more concerned with keeping guns out than in catering to those of us who exercise our 2A rights.

If you don't believe me, then why are so many businesses posted?

"Hey, Sherry, do you still have that gun detection app on your smart phone?"

"Yes, boss. Why?"

"Train it on that guy in the corner..."

No heavy lifting required.

No dedicated installation required.

No expensive equipment required.

True, if retailers were the only market.
They're not. How many anti-gun Demoncraps are out there? I lost count around 100 million, about 85% of which own cell phones.

So ramping up production (and bringing down costs) will be difficult.
That would be true if it required dedicated equipment. It doesn't.

It requires a...

Wait for it...

Cell phone.

In short, it isn't going to happen.
Wake up! It's already happened, and this was from a year ago simply by using sound waves analyzed by an iPhone.

Next year, it'll be a cell phone app that combines pattern recognition with sound waves for even greater detection and pattern discrimination capability.
 

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The gun wasn't concealed. He was holding it in his hand. He even said it couldn't detect a gun under clothing.

Didn't watch the video, did you?



It's already a smart phone app. It's still in alpha testing, but it works.

The only difference between training smart phone AI to recognize a pistol and differentiate it from thousands of other things and training smart phone AI to recognize shadow variations of imprints and differentiate it from thousands of other things, is time.

In fact, it might not even take as much time, as shadow variations aren't nearly as unique as specific firearms. Many imprints are common among many firearms and holsters.

It's like the quote from one of the Terminator series:

Kyle Reese: Who is in charge here? Shut up ! You still don't get it do you? He'll find her! It's what he does. It's ALL he does!



While are you talking about "installations," "dedicated devices," and "expensive?"

Cell phones. The AI-trained app runs on cell phones.



I can buy a decent AI-app-capable cell phone for $250.



What about the cell phones sold to 85% of humans in America? Half of all store employees will already have it.



When managers are convinced that something is wrong, they don't care about popularity. All they care about is stopping that which they believe is wrong.

Many retail stores are more concerned with keeping guns out than in catering to those of us who exercise our 2A rights.

If you don't believe me, then why are so many businesses posted?

"Hey, Sherry, do you still have that gun detection app on your smart phone?"

"Yes, boss. Why?"

"Train it on that guy in the corner..."

No heavy lifting required.

No dedicated installation required.

No expensive equipment required.



They're not. How many anti-gun Demoncraps are out there? I lost count around 100 million, about 85% of which own cell phones.



That would be true if it required dedicated equipment. It doesn't.

It requires a...

Wait for it...

Cell phone.



Wake up! It's already happened, and this was from a year ago simply by using sound waves analyzed by an iPhone.

Next year, it'll be a cell phone app that combines pattern recognition with sound waves for even greater detection and pattern discrimination capability.
 

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The gun wasn't concealed. He was holding it in his hand. He even said it couldn't detect a gun under clothing.
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was never designed to detect a gun under clothing. You really should have watched the full video! It was designed to detect a visible weapon in hand while leaving those who CC in peace, provided they remain covered. It remains a work in progress, but it's definitely in the Beta stage with a compiled (runs fast) release in the near future.

This effort, on the other hand, is more than a year old and has been detecting firearms beneath people's shirts from up to 40 feet away.

What I can't figure out is why you remain in such a vehement state of denial, arguing that something doesn't exist when you, I, and everyone else viewing this forum, whether they're members or not, can see for themselves by following the links that, yes, the days of a simple shirt concealing your carry weapon are over.

Are you embarrassed for being wrong? Heck, I learn something new every day, and I have no intentions of ceasing learning until after I'm dead. If it's something you don't know, welcome to the club. I didn't know it until the day I created this thread. If it's something you thought you knew otherwise, take Heinlein's advice: "To stay young requires unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn of falsehoods." - Robert A. Heinlein, the Dean of Science Fiction

Is it because you're you're just one of those jerks who like to pull people's chains? If so, I can't help you there.

Why aren't you busy developing ways of augmenting the conceal so as to defeat these?

Regardless of how vehemently you deny it, BBMW, it's already here, and in the case of the iPhone case, it's been here for more than a year.

"The cost is a mere $1,250..." Like everything tech, that'll be $99.95 in less than three years and standard issue in five. In seven it'll come with a variety of sensors, including IR, UV, MAD (magnetic anomaly detection), sonar, and millimeter wave radar at levels significantly below acceptable EPA maximums.

Only a fool would continue to deny it's happening when it's already happened.

The question is: What are you and other CCers on the forum going to do about it? Don't forget, these days I CC about 90% of the time, myself.
 
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Agreed. My dad always called them "automatics" and I grew up doing the same. And as you pointed out, so does/did Colt. If you and I were having a conversation and you said "automatic," it would be a complete non-issue.

But in today's context, where the "news" media is brainwashing people 24/7, we have to pick our battles. They're doing all they can, and with great success, to convince the clueless couch potatoes and soccer moms that an AR-15 is an "automatic" weapon like what is used by the military.
The preferred non-use of the term "automatic" by the gun culture is largely due to the explosion of sales of semi-auto handguns and rifles over the past nearly 40 years. Before that, semi-auto handguns were not in wide spread use by the public at large so the term "automatic" was not so much of a concern. However over the last two generations, sales of semi-auto handguns has skyrocketed and semi-auto rifles have experienced this huge surge as well with the popularity of the AR platform.

So the use of semi-auto came into the forefront in order to distinguish these guns from fully automatic firearms. It is right and good that we all make these distinctions and use the proper terms to help dissuade the other side from confusing the general public into thinking that AR rifles are machine guns and weapons of war. Think of it as school time in firearms' terminology.
 
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