[Saber]

Last evening (dusk) I was driving back home from the local grocery store when I witnessed a homeless female lying on the side of the road leaning on one forearm crying. I was crossing over a bridge in heavy traffic and there wasn’t anywhere to safely stop.

As I passed over I saw another homeless person (male) about 10-yards ahead of the female. Another civilian vehicle had already stopped and appeared to be on their cell phone. I pulled up slightly ahead and up on the sidewalk as I also called. While on the phone, I looked over my shoulder as I witnessed the male subject walking back to the female and began kicking her in an apparent fashion, to get her to stand up. Yes, they appeared to be together.

I was still on the phone with 911 as I stated the location, assault in progress, male vs. female, etc. The occupants of the car that stopped before me exited their car (female first) then the male followed. The guy stopped kicking her as the citizen female approached.

They were apparently attempting to console and separate the two. I continued to pass on updates to dispatch as I stated the assault had ceased. Apparently, the first responders never actually contacted 911 because dispatch had no other reports, which made my account important.

The situation appeared to be calming down so I slowly pulled away to a better vantage point. About that time I could see the Calvary approaching from my front. It just so happened to be a local 'she-bear' whom I knew, and believe me, she's no softie'.

Once I was sure the situation was under control, I continued on my way. Teaching moment, perhaps. I never exited my vehicle for a few reasons.

1) Dispatch needed accurate information as it unfolded.
2) The female that approached the couple was unthreatening and it appeared to be the right medicine to calm the guy as he immediately stopped kicking, as her male companion also calmly approached.
3) Had I joined the party at that juncture, I could have unintentionally embarrassed or otherwise provoked the guy to a different state of mind.​

Also, had he pulled a shank, I would have had only one recourse. Naturally, I was just going for milk and cereal and I was too lazy to grab my Kimber ‘pepper-blaster’ (dumb ass).

In hindsight, I sorta felt like a coward but fear was never my concern.

Ok, let the critique begin…

 

[ming]

Good job IMO. I agree with your 3 points. No reason to be upset with yourself.

 

[NC Bullseye]

You should be ashamed of yourself!

Doing the right thing, what is the world coming to?

Thanks for reconfirming my belief that there are still those that think.:hand10:

 

[gottabkiddin]

No criticism from me sir, IMO you handled it way better than I could have.

I am however surprised that you were unarmed.

 

[RETSUPT99]

Just being a good witness is the best solution, and someone else was already helping...no reason to 'pile on'...:blink:
You did well...:hand10:

 

[Saber]

No criticism from me sir, IMO you handled it way better than I could have.

I am however surprised that you were unarmed.

Oops! Sorry for the confusion as I was armed. I intended to explain that I left my OC spray at home. Had I been the ‘first responder’ as he was kicking her, I would have likely jumped in. However, I would have much preferred to spray the guy (if needed) to stop the assault. Simply, had the situation gone really south, then I could have been buried in paperwork for years.

 

[wmhawth]

Ok, let the critique begin…

None necessary. Your actions and the reasons behind them make good sense to me.

 

[xsigma40cal]

I definately dont blame you for keeping your distance. One thing taught to me in the cc course is to be wary of domestic type situations involving a male and female. It can have a reverse effect, trying to save the female from a violent bf can turn one target into two if the female is succumbed far in enough in the "battered wife" syndrome. Pulling out on a violent bf can set her off and now she's attacking you alongside her bf, and that looks bad alltogether in the eyes of the PD. The occupants of the car that arrived first could have faced similar effects and thats where you would have to come in and ward off the attack.
Good job playing the witness.

 

[Hopyard]

Given that there were two others intervening, and you were in a position to assist if things got out of control before your friend showed up, I think you did great.

Don't know if you had time and a chance to have a word with the officer, or whether that would help any later on down the road regarding prosecution.

You stopped, made the phone call, were available to intervene if needed, you were armed to intervene if needed.

Being retired, I guess you couldn't just jump out and yell "police." So, you did the best you could. I say thumbs up.

 

[Saber]

Thanks 'Hopyard', actually I didn’t retire as a LEO although I was in it long enough to know how seemingly benign situations can change in an instant. Anyway, thanks to all who responded.

 

[OldVet]

You did exactly the right thing ... just enough to solve the problem. Far too many people think reaching for a weapon is the first and only thing to do.

There was no threat to you, and the responding woman seemed to have interrupted the assault, so other than making the 911 call, what else did you feel you needed to do?

Bravo to you! And the others who responded to someone in need!

 

[Treo]

This is just my opinion but I believe that information is more useful than heroics. By giving the police as much information as possible before they arrived at the scene you made their job easier.

 

[Tom G]

No sense getting into a domestic fight. If she stays with this guy this will happen again .keep your distance and call 911 unless it turns into a life & death situation with a weapon.

 

[Stirling XD]

I get tired people equating being a good witness to cowardice. Not that I've seen that on this thread.) It is not. In some cases, it is nearly as dangerous as playing Batman and jumping in the middle of something. Defendants hate witnesses. Sounds like you exercised good judgement and did the right thing. Good for you.

 

[9MMare]

Well done sir!

 

[kelcarry]

In SC we have the "alter ego" rule which provides a legal reason for you to intercede on someone else's behalf if you believe that the other person is in imminent danger of "great" bodily injury or death; you can assume that if that other person was you, you would bring into play deadly force. From the story, the kicking that is described is not, IMO, bringing into play imminent danger of "great" bodily injury or death; short of standing by (which you did) and calling 911 (which you did) there really is very little else you should or could do considering the fact that your innocent intervention could have escalated matters if the "kicker" had more of an arsenal than just his foot.

 

[carry ok]

Just mho,......

Per your recounting, I see it as a 'textbook' example. Sorta' the practice of 'first, do no harm', right? The self analysis, as to the feeling of 'coward' is understandable. That is emotion, which, your rational thought processes obviously contradict. Caveat: I am not a Psy/chiatrist-chologist. I only wrote what seems to me common sense.:wink: However, I may be as full of it as a six week old puppy!

 

[oneshot]

Good job IMO. I agree with your 3 points. No reason to be upset with yourself.

None necessary. Your actions and the reasons behind them make good sense to me.

^^^^^^^^^^YEP^^^^

I agree with these guys Saber, I think what you did mirrors what most would have done.



'Because that's all the ammunition we had.'
Polk Co. Fla. Sheriff Grady Judd

 

[roge]

I think your reaction to this incident was handled as you best saw it fit. Have you had any feelings of doubt, that maybe this incident needed more action from you? Many years ago I witness the beating of a small person being punched and kicked by a much bigger guy to the point of unconsciousness. Te victims father begged for help from bystenders that ignored his plea. No one wanted to get involved and the beating continued. My lack of involvement has bothered me a lot. I felt I should have done something.

 

[roge]

I think your reaction to this incident was handled as you best saw it fit. Have you had any feelings of doubt that maybe this incident needed more action from you? Many years ago I witness the beating of a small person being punched and kicked by a much bigger guy to the point of unconsciousness. The victims father begged for help from bystanders that ignored his plea. No one wanted to get involved and the beating continued. My lack of involvement has bothered me a lot. I feel I should have done something.