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I have a Kahr PM (with big dot night sights) and was looking for something a bit more solid and with a hair more in the capacity area. What are your thoughts about a swap with and XDS 9mm? Size, quality, concealment, etc..
 

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Don't trade a proven gun for a brand new release. Give it a year or so, then revisit the decision.

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I think the PM9 is a better gun IMO for CCW ,I have not shot the XDs9 but I do own the PM9 and I did
own a XDs 45 which I thought was average at best,the PM9 I think is better made more accurate and better machined
 

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I think it depends. If you want a bigger gun, then I suppose the XDS 9 would be the way to go. I think Kahr's P9 is a closer comparison to the new XDS 9, as the XDS 9 is slightly over .75" longer than the PM9 (& CM9 for that matter) & a hair over .25" longer than the P9 (& CW9). They're all about the same wdth, but I believe the Kahrs are lighter.

As has been mentioned, the Kahrs are proven, while the XDS 9 is very new. I only see 2 possible advantages to getting the larger XDS 9.
1. Shorter reset trigger. Not sure if the XD's trigger is nicer or not otherwise.
2. Slightly higher capacity. The PM9 is 7 or 8 rounds total (Flush or extended mag) & the P9 is 8 rounds, though you can get a TP9 mag that'll give you 9 rounds total.

While I've shot some XDs, I've never owned 1. However I've owned 3 different Kahrs & still own 2 (A CM9 & a P45).
 

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I have a 10+1 9mm (HK P2000SK), but I chose to keep my Kahr PM9 and I'm glad I did. The PM9 is a true pocket gun. You can carry it comfortably during hot summer outings when a holstered gun is both uncomfortable and more visible. When concealment is easy, I go with my 10+1 holster gun. But the Kahr PM9 allows me to carry comfortably at times when temperature and wardrobe make it more difficult to carry a bigger gun.

Also, my Kahr is dependable and accurate. I think it's a keeper.
 

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I own a PM9 and really like it. I am intrigued by the XDS9 because I usually carry IWB where I can get away with something larger than the PM9 and would appreciate the extra rounds in the Springfield. But, I do not plan to get rid of my PM9. There are still times when I want to/need to pocket carry and that is something that the XDS will not do as well as the PM9.
 

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The xds is very concealable. I have the .45 and you would just about have to be carrying it in a bulky holster, while wearing a leotard to get it to print. But I would shoot one first. Had a buddy trade a pm9 for an xds and he really misses his pm9. One isn't better than the other, he just shot better w/ the kahr.
 

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IMHO, the PM9 is already marginal for pocket carry, especially from a weight perspective. If you ever pocket carry, I would suggest you keep the PM9. If you only IWB carry, then it is simply which you shoot better.
 

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I like the pm9 and to me every XD I've ever fired felt like it was made out of Legos. Just my take on it. I know others like them though. I'd try and rent it at the range before buying any polymer springfield
 

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More solid? Not sure what you mean by that. My CM9 (economic version of PM9) is great. The quality of the PM9 is way above a xds. Match grade barrel. Excellent attention to detail on the slide. It isn't $200-$300 more than the xds for nothing. Not bashing the xds. I thought about getting one myself, but not at the expense of my CM9 (much less the PM9).
 

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No. Why? The differences in size are so small as not to matter. I have owned both and sold the PM9 a while ago. Recently bought the XDs in .45 and although it is a good shooter, I do not like how it feels in my hand. The 9mm version is the same frame for the .45 and they had to make the barrel thicker to fit and that makes it heavier than the .45 version. The PM9 is much lighter and better quality in my opinion. I am trying to get rid of my XDs and replace it with something else. I just do not like very thin grips. Do not feel right in my hands and being comfortable with your gun does matter in a gun fight. You want your gun to fill your hand and become an extension of it. I just do not get that feeling from the XDs. I had the same problem with the LC9. I like a palm filling grip. I put Hogue wraparounds on every gun that I can. :)
 

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I think Springfield completely missed the mark with the XDs 9mm. They had an opportunity to introduce a new single stack 9mm to the market that could have offered the end user a 9mm modeled after the popular XDs 45 with the added benefits of being smaller, lighter and more easily concealable with increased capacity that could have possibly been a fantastic pocket gun (a role the XDs 45 doesn't quite properly fill in my opinion). Instead of that we got a heavier XDs 45 that shoots 9mm ammo.

Big miss Springfield, BIG MISS.
 

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I traded my PM9 for an XDS 45 several months ago. I like Springfield, I like the XD series (now have three of them), and I also like the grip safety. If it's in my hand, it's disengaged.

And another thing is that I wanted to standardize on ammunition, i.e. I now have only 45's in semi-automatic.
 

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Don't trade a proven gun for a brand new release. Give it a year or so, then revisit the decision.
^ That, and...

The 9mm version is the same frame for the .45 and they had to make the barrel thicker to fit and that makes it heavier than the .45 version.
I think Springfield completely missed the mark with the XDs 9mm. They had an opportunity to introduce a new single stack 9mm to the market that could have offered the end user a 9mm modeled after the popular XDs 45 with the added benefits of being smaller, lighter and more easily concealable with increased capacity that could have possibly been a fantastic pocket gun (a role the XDs 45 doesn't quite properly fill in my opinion). Instead of that we got a heavier XDs 45 that shoots 9mm ammo.
^ Those two.

Those concerns pretty much sum up where I am, now, with the same decision as you, skystud1.

My EDC is a XDm9 3.8 Compact. I have somewhere around 9K rounds through her, another 5K or so through a near-clone of her that I keep purely as a training beater - as well as a full-sized XDm9 that currently has somewhere around 35K rounds on its odo.

I carry the 3.8 Compact probably 99% of the time that I carry. The remaining 1% is occupied by my Kahr PM9, on which I've only logged about 1K rounds, but which occupies a crucial role in my concealed-carry repertoire: it's on me when my 3.8 Compact is just too thick/bulky make concealment (to the extent that I desire) work. The Kahr has been my trusty "alternate carry" for when the bulky block that's my XDm cannot be satisfactorily concealed.

In that respect - as well as in my desire to have an alternate carry (however few times I may end up carrying it) mimic as closely as possible the manual-of-arms of my usual EDC - I'd love the XDs. And as many of my friends know, I've been patiently waiting for the 9mm variant of the XDs to come to-market.

I won't be pocket-carrying the XDs9. I don't pocket-carry my PM9. Even so, it disappoints me that that 9x19 variant of the XDs weights more than its .45 ACP sister. Sure, it's just going on my hip, and sure, I'm a stickler for excellent support gear (I'm a self-confessed belt and holster snob), but still, like 1MoreGoodGuy pointed out, it's disappointing.

Will I be giving the XDs9 a try?

I doubt that I won't.

But I'm not heading out to buy it right now, either.
 

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^ That, and...





^ Those two.

Those concerns pretty much sum up where I am, now, with the same decision as you, skystud1.

My EDC is a XDm9 3.8 Compact. I have somewhere around 9K rounds through her, another 5K or so through a near-clone of her that I keep purely as a training beater - as well as a full-sized XDm9 that currently has somewhere around 35K rounds on its odo.

I carry the 3.8 Compact probably 99% of the time that I carry. The remaining 1% is occupied by my Kahr PM9, on which I've only logged about 1K rounds, but which occupies a crucial role in my concealed-carry repertoire: it's on me when my 3.8 Compact is just too thick/bulky make concealment (to the extent that I desire) work. The Kahr has been my trusty "alternate carry" for when the bulky block that's my XDm cannot be satisfactorily concealed.

In that respect - as well as in my desire to have an alternate carry (however few times I may end up carrying it) mimic as closely as possible the manual-of-arms of my usual EDC - I'd love the XDs. And as many of my friends know, I've been patiently waiting for the 9mm variant of the XDs to come to-market.

I won't be pocket-carrying the XDs9. I don't pocket-carry my PM9. Even so, it disappoints me that that 9x19 variant of the XDs weights more than its .45 ACP sister. Sure, it's just going on my hip, and sure, I'm a stickler for excellent support gear (I'm a self-confessed belt and holster snob), but still, like 1MoreGoodGuy pointed out, it's disappointing.

Will I be giving the XDs9 a try?

I doubt that I won't.

But I'm not heading out to buy it right now, either.

The more I ponder the XDs, I think of it like the M&P Shield. It seemed like the rave at first, but then I people are starting to realize that there were already guns on the market that fill that niche. ie. PF9, PM9, CM9, etc. After reading this thread I am seriously just thinking about tacking on a Crimson Trace to my PM9 and calling it a day.

The XDs 45 would be cool if they could have squeaked an extra round in there. May as well go for an Officer model 1911.
 
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