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Just got back from vacation in the smoky mountains. There are lots of different laws for concealed carry in Tenn. then from my home in Missouri. I went into a restaurant that had absolutely no gun buster sign. I also knew that as long as I didn't drink, I should be ok to CC given there was no sign at the entrance. After ordering a water, I noticed a sign across the room that said carrying a weapon where alcohol was served or sold made me guilty of a misdemeanor. Before you guys make me feel dumb, I know its my responsibility to read the laws through and through before traveling. My question is, is this law common in most states? If so, why are the signs not at the entrance. I chose to continue eating because leaving would not have made me any less guilty. Why would a state notify you after you have committed the crime? Even though I don't drink and carry, in Missouri, I could if I really wanted to, and then a bordering state in a complete 180. I am very thankful for living in Missouri. Also, I feel like I don't want to go back to the wonderful state of Tenn. because I cannot even legally carry in gas stations because alcohol is sold there. What do you guys think? The sign said it was state law BTW and I also saw it in a couple liquor stores in the same town I ate in. I did not see these sign anywhere in west tenn.
 

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In every jurisdiction in the United States, "ignorance of the law is no excuse." That said, there are signage requirements that vary by state, and the first place to look is Handgunlaw.us
Just be aware that that's not the LAST place to look; that site is offered as a public service but is not guaranteed to be 100% up to date and accurate.

Bottom line, it's your responsibility to understand the carry laws in any state where you travel armed. Knowing that "reciprocity" exists between your destination state and your home state doesn't mean the laws there are the same as at home. Now you know for next time - right?
 

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Here we are restricted from carrying in (paraphrasing) an establishment whose main item of sale is alcohol. In some states its the 51% rule meaning if 51% of revenue is generated by alcohol, no cc. I do not know the correctness of this thinking, but my class we were advised that even in a restaurant avoiding the bar area seating may be prudent.
 

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It was a normal eating establishment, not a bar. The sign read that state law prohibits carrying a gun where alcohol is served or sold. Not "sold for consumption," but sold period. Without making anyone guilty, are you Tennesseans really disarming every time you get gas? Just curious.
 

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It was a normal eating establishment, not a bar. The sign read that state law prohibits carrying a gun where alcohol is served or sold. Not "sold for consumption," but sold period. Without making anyone guilty, are you Tennesseans really disarming every time you get gas? Just curious.
No, I'm not....
 
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Just got back from vacation in the smoky mountains. There are lots of different laws for concealed carry in Tenn. then from my home in Missouri. I went into a restaurant that had absolutely no gun buster sign. I also knew that as long as I didn't drink, I should be ok to CC given there was no sign at the entrance. After ordering a water, I noticed a sign across the room that said carrying a weapon where alcohol was served or sold made me guilty of a misdemeanor. Before you guys make me feel dumb, I know its my responsibility to read the laws through and through before traveling. My question is, is this law common in most states? If so, why are the signs not at the entrance. I chose to continue eating because leaving would not have made me any less guilty. Why would a state notify you after you have committed the crime? Even though I don't drink and carry, in Missouri, I could if I really wanted to, and then a bordering state in a complete 180. I am very thankful for living in Missouri. Also, I feel like I don't want to go back to the wonderful state of Tenn. because I cannot even legally carry in gas stations because alcohol is sold there. What do you guys think? The sign said it was state law BTW and I also saw it in a couple liquor stores in the same town I ate in. I did not see these sign anywhere in west tenn.
OhMyGodEverybodyPanic!!!

Not directed at you, OP. Just the people who overreact without researching the law first.

The sign that you saw was outdated. By law, you may carry in any establishment that sells alcohol (or for that matter, doesn't) in Tennessee which is not posted with one of the following:

AS AUTHORIZED BY T.C.A. § 39-17-1359, POSSESSION OF A WEAPON ON POSTED PROPERTY
OR IN A POSTED BUILDING IS PROHIBITED AND IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

The international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle.

It is no longer automatically against the law to carry into an establishment that sells alcohol. It is only illegal if they are properly posted.
 

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Some states , like Tennessee and the one's that were in No. Carolina, made me decide it wasn't worth making notes on all of the places " I couldn't go" , and I would just go somewhere else and spend my money. I've added Colorado to the list now as well.
 

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I noticed a sign across the room that said carrying a weapon where alcohol was served or sold made me guilty of a misdemeanor. Before you guys make me feel dumb, I know its my responsibility to read the laws through and through before traveling. My question is, is this law common in most states?
Every state is different, of course.

In many, "they" equate alcohol with criminality, with all but ensuring someone's going to go ballistic or negligent with a defensive weapon. As you've seen, in some states they most definitely disallow carrying into any such place. Some only claim you criminal if you imbibe. Some only claim the entry to such a place criminal if it derives >50% of its revenues from alcohol. Etc, etc. One of the many things to check on, if you're traveling. Gotta know what you need to know, else stay out of the "questionable" venues until you do know.
 

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Gotta know what you need to know, else stay out of the "questionable" venues until you do know.
Interesting how these (questionable) venues are precisely the places we need to be armed.

OK, so I can't carry here..here or here. Signage is posted and supported by state law.
Before we know it, about the only place we'll be CC is our home...

Musical interlude: "It's beginning to look a lot like England"
 

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Interesting how these (questionable) venues are precisely the places we need to be armed.
Yeah. Silly, isn't it? "Public" transportation (buses, subways, trains), restaurants, parks, places that happen to serve alcoholic beverages, theaters, "city" (the People's) buildings/lands, out in the wilds (parks, forests), ...

By design, I'd say. Nothing like disarming people to make them safer.
 

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I wrote a letter (which they printed) to one of our 4th estate rags after a local columnist did a piece on "why people carry a weapon."

He maintained "why not frequent [nice] places where a gun is not needed?"

Part of my response was "Sure, how about schools, theaters and shopping malls?" "Chicago would be a (nice) place to visit since no one is allowed to carry a gun there"
 

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It was a normal eating establishment, not a bar. The sign read that state law prohibits carrying a gun where alcohol is served or sold. Not "sold for consumption," but sold period. Without making anyone guilty, are you Tennesseans really disarming every time you get gas? Just curious.
If somebody isn't, then they're admitting to breaking the law which is highly discouraged here. But, if you pay at the pump and need nothing from inside the store, there really isn't a need to disarm IMO. :ziplip:
 

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In Georgia, it's illegal to carry in a bar. According to the District Attorney of my county (Gwinnett), Gwinnett County does not issue "bar" licenses. They only issue liquor licenses to restaurants, so it is not illegal to carry in an establishment just because they serve alcohol.
 

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In Georgia, it's illegal to carry in a bar. According to the District Attorney of my county (Gwinnett), Gwinnett County does not issue "bar" licenses. They only issue liquor licenses to restaurants, so it is not illegal to carry in an establishment just because they serve alcohol.
Yep, legal here to carry in bars, clubs, liquor stores, restaurants, or about anywhere else ..... and gee, there have been no problems. Law-abiding citizens carrying guns, tend to stay that way as well. None of the blood in the parking lots , etc. that was predicted..... again. I think it's a lame argument to restrict these places. It seems only the major cities want to push all of the restrictions, and in this state... they are losing that battle.
 

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If somebody isn't, then they're admitting to breaking the law which is highly discouraged here. But, if you pay at the pump and need nothing from inside the store, there really isn't a need to disarm IMO. :ziplip:
I live in Tennessee and posted earlier that I don't disarm to buy gas. There's no need or legal requirement to do so if the place is not legally posted per state law. If it were legally posted I wouldn't be buying gas there in the first place. The fact they may sell alcohol is no legal requirement to disarm before entering. I can see where a tourist not familiar with Tennessee's posting requirements would panic in strange surroundings seeing any sign though. Just wanted to clarify that I am not breaking the law when I buy gas.
 
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I run into this same situation quite often in Ohio. The agency that issues the liquor license sends out a "Kit" with signs that quote outdated ordinance to every license holder periodically. These signs reference laws from before CCW was enacted here. It is still illegal to open carry without a CCW permit in these establishments but concealed carry is legal unless the establishment is "posted". Unfortunately, we do not have any requirements as to signage or the method/placement gun buster signs so you have to know whether the owner means to stop concealed carry or not.

Sometimes you have to ask the question.
 

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OP, every state has their own laws, it is your responsibility to research them for where your traveling to. While I'm not up on TN laws (haven't traveled there in several years) I'm sure our TN residents will weigh in on it. Every state has some laws that are asinine, even MO, but that's just a fact of life you have to deal with.
 
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Thanks everybody, the bigger issue I was wondering about was why signs were not posted at the entrance. Is it common for the sign to be posted only after you have entered the establishment and sat down. You are already guilty once you have entered, so leaving would not grant you forgiveness. I know I am wrong now, but I was under the impression signs being posted at entrances, legal or not, was pretty universal.
 

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Carry in Restaurants That Serve Alcohol
YES
Note: A “YES” above means you can carry into places like described below. “NO” means you can’t. Handgunlaw.us definition of “Restaurant Carry” is carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. Places like Friday’s. Chili’s or Red Lobster. This may or may not mean the bar or the bar area of a restaurant. But you can carry your firearm into a restaurant that serves alcohol and sit and eat
Handgunlaw.us


This from the Tennessee section of handgun law.us

And yes, the signs, if legal, should be posted at the entrance.
 
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