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I am a dealer for a couple different knife companies. I carry knives from both companies. SOG and BOKER. I have a meeting with a rep from BENCHMADE in early Feb. I need some advice from the people who are more experienced with BM than I. I have no direct dealings with them yet. Never owned one, but have read a lot. It is my tradition that when I place an opening order from a company I always get something for me to carry. So here comes the dilema. I have narrowed down my choices a good bit. I am not against autos, I am a LEO and a dealer so I can carry one, but not totally hooked. Help me out. I have a few listed in the poll. Any other suggestions let me know. I am looking for #1 a tool, #2 defensive, #3 outstanding performance. Let me know what you suggest. Thanks.
 

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personaly i carry a lfk in a side sheath. its great for SD and great to reach screws that are at a distance
 

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I bought my first Benchmade Knife about 10-12 years ago and was impressed with it. I've bought a few more since then. I don't collect them, I use them all. Some have the handle scales worn smooth and no finish left on the blade but they sharpen up nice and the mechanisms are still as tight as they were when new. I haven't bought a new one in years because I haven't worn out any of the old ones....so I didn't vote in your poll as I'm not up to speed on their current lineup.
 

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Thanks all, I have numerous "popular knives" and when it comes down to doing some tasks in the field, the dramatic type stories always include a BM. Nothing agains sog, spyderco, cold steel, etc. but I personally haven't heard or read any super stories about these knives, with that being said I will still carry them but really want a BM for thos SHTF times.

KEEP EM' COMIN!!!!
 

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...I am a LEO and a dealer so I can carry one...
You can't carry an auto legally.
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18 Pa.C.S. § 908: Prohibited offensive weapons said:
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon.
(b) Exceptions.--
(1) It is a defense under this section for the defendant to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used unlawfully.
(2) This section does not apply to police forensic firearms experts or police forensic firearms laboratories. Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary course of business and engaged in lawful operation who notify in writing, on an annual basis, the chief or head of any police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere, the sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the possession, type and use of offensive weapons.
(3) This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.
(c) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:
"Firearm." Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
"Offensive weapons." Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.
(d) Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from this section:
(1) Police officers, as defined by and who meet the requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L. 359, No. 120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training Law. [FN1]
(2) Police officers of first class cities who have successfully completed training which is substantially equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(3) Pennsylvania State Police officers.
(4) Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(5) Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(6) Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.
(7) Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
There's no exception, or exemption in there for LEOs, or dealers.
 

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I picked the Griptilian because it's the only blade on the list with a manufactured trainer available. If you carry it for numbers one and three, you're fine without one. If you don't carry another knife that you train with for number two then you might get yourself into a heap of trouble when you try to give it a go during the realio-dealio.
 

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Unloved #1 on there says that unless authorized by law to sell, make etc. Also us code form 18 which I received from my rep allows me to carry auto. Demo purposes. I could be wrong but I think that is my justification.


edit: I'm sorry its a) and 3) not number 1
 

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i love knives. love them to pieces. but i cannot seem to love Benchmades. i've owned 3, and was not overly fond of any of them. the only one that i carried was the Mini-Pika, and i gave that one away, too. they're like Glocks to me; i understand they're quality, but i don't see the appeal.
 

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Since you are a LEO, I think it's very unlikely that you'll have any issues, but...
Unloved #1 on there says that unless authorized by law to sell, make etc.
No, it doesn't. It says:
(1) It is a defense under this section for the defendant to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used unlawfully.
Are you thinking of this?
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon.
There is no authorization in PA law for anyone to carry autos. There may be for making, repairing, selling, and dealing in them. I haven't researched it that deeply, just far enough to figure out that it's illegal for me to carry autos.

IMO, this
(3) This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.
means that anyone who legally possesses a firearm is exempt, but a couple of lawyers who specialize in this particular segment of law tell me I'm wrong.:mad:

AllAbtSlfDef said:
Also us code form 18 which I received from my rep allows me to carry auto.
Again, no it doesn't. It relates to fed law, and doesn't grant you an exemption from the Commonwealth law against possession of autos.

As I said, I think it's highly unlikely you'll ever have a problem, but I think you should be aware.
 

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I recieved a BM AFO II for a xmas gift and what a great tool it is! Has a "glass breaker", is auto for one handed opening,and is stout.I like the forward grip on it as well,with a little flair outward it keeps my hand from sliping forward.
I think we will be together a long time!
 

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The griptilian is a great work knife and very strong lock with the axis lock it has.

Depending on what style of blade you go with. The spear will work great for tool and then weapon. AND it will be very realiable.
 

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UNLOVED, thank you for pointing those things out to me. I will definately check deeper into it. I will consult judges and other LEOs. I agree that I don't think I will have any trouble, I do want to be safe and not get arrested or cited.

as a side note, if I read the prohib.off.weapon part correctly it says a knife, no blade length, or shape or anything. Does that mean that in our great commonwealth that it is illegal to carry a knife at all.

Let it be known that I am a PA state constable, I do not issue citations, or deal directly with placing charges on people. I get them after the charges are already filed and also deal with some civil stuff. I did not want people to think I was a cop and didn't know the law. So in short my area of work is after a warrant is issued or in civil cases.

Thanks still lookin for more input.
 

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as a side note, if I read the prohib.off.weapon part correctly it says a knife, no blade length, or shape or anything. Does that mean that in our great commonwealth that it is illegal to carry a knife at all.
Nope. Just autos. Note the phrase I've highlighted in bold.
"Offensive weapons." Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.
The problem is, the whole thing is pretty poorly written. It isn't very clear.


ETA: To answer your original question, I own several Axis Lock models. Presidio, Ares, and a 530. I had a D2 Griptilian, but I lost it on Mt. Hood a few years ago. They're all great knives. I think you'd be well served by any of the models in your poll.
 

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I picked the 710. I own the 710, Griptillian, Mini griptillian and I have held the others you listed and like the 710 the best. Even like it more than my Emerson.
 

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agreed on the poorly written part, PA law was written with grey ink not black lol. I have had cops tell me that assisted opens such as an aegis, blur, flash, leek, etc are illegal, all my reps say no. Any input there?

I am leaning toward a 940 or 950 but I want to hold and handle them all. I don't think there is a bad benchmade, FYI I heard they are discontinuing the red class. That is from the rep, not rumor. So I feel any of these will work, its just a matter of making up my stubborn mind.

I appreciate it all.
 

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I have a Benchmade 9050 that I got issued for a deployment. I've had it for 6 years so far and carry it everyday. I'd recommend it if you are looking for an auto.
 
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