Some Good News for Concealed Carry

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TX expat

Discussion Starter · Apr 12, 2013

Nebraska Furniture Mart, which has been on my personal boycott list for a while, is reversing it's firearm ban for customers and employees.

Nebraska Furniture Mart to allow employees, customers to carry guns | fox4kc.com

I think this is very good news, especially coming at a time when it's not going to be seen as politically correct to make policy changes that are pro-firearm.

This, hopefully, is also a great example of why we should always make a polite, but firm, stance on our rights and let these companies know in writing. NFM has received more than one letter from me in the past containing a polite conversation about the business that they lost due to their policy. I also plan to send them a new letter commending their decision, since I fully realize that they will probably receive some negative attention due to the policy change.

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bigmacque

· #2 · Apr 12, 2013

I'm in the polite but firm camp as well. Let the other side act out their fantasies with unwarranted rage.

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sdprof

· #3 · Apr 12, 2013

In that article I don't see NFM allowing all employees with permits to carry. It says some security personnel will be armed, after training.

jp5edc

· #4 · Apr 12, 2013

That's great news! It's too bad they were formerly against carrying, I liked their store in Omaha.

RETSUPT99

· #5 · Apr 12, 2013

I wonder what really changed their minds? Not only did the signs come down, but now employees can be armed? Something happened...

TX expat

Discussion Starter · #6 · Apr 12, 2013

retsupt99 said:
I wonder what really changed their minds? Not only did the signs come down, but now employees can be armed? Something happened...

Yeah, I've been pondering that as well. I'm sure it wasn't because I wrote them a time or two, but obviously something caused them to change policy. Maybe they had a management change or something like that. Dunno, but whatever it is, I'll take it!

OldVet

· #7 · Apr 12, 2013

Maybe they simply realized anytime, anyplace--including theirs.

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archer51

· #8 · Apr 12, 2013

Sounds like the light finally went on in someones head.

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TX expat

Discussion Starter · #9 · Apr 12, 2013

sdprof said:
In that article I don't see NFM allowing all employees with permits to carry. It says some security personnel will be armed, after training.

Nobody said all employees could carry, only that they are changing their policy for customers and employees. As is stands right now, there are no armed security services at their stores, so even just allowing certain employees to carry is a positive step; especially for the other employees, as well as the customers that choose to not arm themselves.

OldVet

· #10 · Apr 12, 2013

I know nothing about that state's laws, but I think they'll find having "armed security" create obstacles they haven't considered. In Fl, that would require an entirely different licensing above and beyond an individual concealed weapons license.

TX expat

Discussion Starter · #11 · Apr 12, 2013

It seems the article linked has some information about the policy change:

In defense of the company's policy changes, Batt (the company's executive vice president) said months of outside research and discussion went into the decision.

“We consulted experts in corporate and personal security. We didn't do this on our own.

We consulted the best minds on this strategy. It's only because we want to protect people,” said Batt. “Our goal is that this kind of thing will never be needed.”

Nebraska Furniture Mart plan to arm security staff called leap into uncharted territory - Omaha.com

asldkjfqwoifqwo

· #12 · Apr 12, 2013

OldVet said:
I know nothing about that state's laws, but I think they'll find having "armed security" create obstacles they haven't considered. In Fl, that would require an entirely different licensing above and beyond an individual concealed weapons license.

My guess is that's the case is just about every state. That, however, is not an "obstacle", it's just a process that needs to be gone through. Remember that old saying, the difference between a stepping stone and a stumbling block is the height to which one raises one's foot.

TX expat

Discussion Starter · #13 · Apr 12, 2013

asldkjfqwoifqwo said:
My guess is that's the case is just about every state. That, however, is not an "obstacle", it's just a process that needs to be gone through. Remember that old saying, the difference between a stepping stone and a stumbling block is the height to which one raises one's foot.

Yeah, based on the second article, they obviously have done their homework so I'm guessing they fully understand the path needed to arm staff.

mprp

· #14 · Apr 12, 2013

retsupt99 said:
I wonder what really changed their minds? Not only did the signs come down, but now employees can be armed? Something happened...

and

From the article ~"Batt cited incidents in which store employees have encountered people carrying weapons inside the store, including someone brandishing a knife.

“Times have changed,” Batt said. “You look at college campuses, retail establishments. ... We only have one mission here, and that's the safety of the staff and customers. We're sending a message that we will not tolerate any bad behavior.”

There you have it.

:congrats:

sdprof

· #15 · Apr 12, 2013

TX expat said:
Nobody said all employees could carry, only that they are changing their policy for customers and employees. As is stands right now, there are no armed security services at their stores, so even just allowing certain employees to carry is a positive step; especially for the other employees, as well as the customers that choose to not arm themselves.

Both your lead sentence, and the article's headline, simply say "employees", without any further qualification or limitation. Without the detail further down in the article that the policy appears to only allow certain selected and trained employees (security) to carry, the headline is a tad misleading.

AZJD1968

· #16 · Apr 12, 2013

There goes another "gun free zone"! Good for them! Awesome news.

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Stevew

· #17 · Apr 13, 2013

Might have figured out that their policy was a liability. Customer getting attacked and not being able to protect themselves because of company policy.

asldkjfqwoifqwo

· #18 · Apr 13, 2013

Stevew said:
Might have figured out that their policy was a liability. Customer getting attacked and not being able to protect themselves because of company policy.

I doubt that a customer has EVER won a suit on that basis. If anybody knows of such an event, please PM me.

ep1953

· #19 · Apr 13, 2013

retsupt99 said:
I wonder what really changed their minds? Not only did the signs come down, but now employees can be armed? Something happened...

Quote from the second article:

"Batt cited incidents in which store employees have encountered people carrying weapons inside the store, including someone brandishing a knife."

ccman

· #20 · Apr 13, 2013

Good deal.

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