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The Store has been selling quite a few Hellcats, and P365s..
To date, a lot of 365s come in for trade or sell.. We had the first 365SAS sell just before Christmas, and it came back IN as a trade/sell within 1 week.
Been selling the both OSP (549.99) and Standard (499.99) Hellcats since they have come out, and Zero have been returned or traded/sold so far.

I'm awaiting a used Hellcat to arrive in the store, so I can take it out and evaluate it myself. Might be a long while though.

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Like I mentioned. No Hellcats have come back yet, for Repair, sell, or trade...... I'll keep you posted......I played with both guns (the Hellcat and the 365 SAS ) and due to the sight picture, I would have chosen the Hellcat....
Like I said, I'll update my post when the store gets a used hellcat...
BTW, I have a Hellcat OSP gun on special order at the store....549.00 The video above makes me wanna wait until the gun grows out of it's growing pains.. Just like the 365...
The store has a lot of used 938s and 238s...2-3 used P365s right now for 375.00 to 395.00 People handle em, but they're not buying em....
Like anything, everybody has to get the "Latest and Greatest".....Everybody wanted the 365 and it's slowed down quite a bit, and the newest desire is the Hellcat, 43XL 48, and now the Glock 44 (22LR) The Ruger 5.7 is also a rage (handled 2 of the 7 we recently got 659.99, and the LCP in 22LR for 299.00 (that one looks like a real winner with people who wanna shoot a lot and pocket carry) ....... What's next Who knows....
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It sounds like a third broken striker on a hellcat- the guy (swamprattler at GT) said he has a little under 500 rounds through it. Said he was dry firing and something broke inside and neither he nor his gunsmith could get the slide locked open to troubleshoot.

On Wednesday he said it had been five weeks since he sent it to springfield, so it's almost six weeks he's been without it.

https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/loving-me-some-hellcat.1794920/page-3
 

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Picked up a hellcat in the store yesterday. Yuk. Terrible grip for my hand, too thin front to back with a weird narrowness toward the bottom which makes my grip feel unstable. The clerk actually looked dismayed that I didn't like it. "We sell a ton" he says. So what, someone is always buying for cool factor instead of actual self defense.
I don't get the rush to buy these cranked out in mass plastic wonder nines. Your being sold snake oil to get a couple more rounds.
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It sounds like a third broken striker on a hellcat- the guy (swamprattler at GT) said he has a little under 500 rounds through it. Said he was dry firing and something broke inside and neither he nor his gunsmith could get the slide locked open to troubleshoot.

On Wednesday he said it had been five weeks since he sent it to springfield, so it's almost six weeks he's been without it.

https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/loving-me-some-hellcat.1794920/page-3
Will pass that onto potential Buyers and Sales personnel on the gunfloor and will remember place a Snap cap into the chamber! Thanks for the info and the GlockTalk link!
 

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Fourth broken hellcat striker, and in the same spot where the hollow body meets the safety hook.

I suspect if youtubers were dry firing their hellcats hundreds of times a day, and without snap caps, like they did with the P 365, we'd be seeing more broken hellcat strikers

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFVonprghc&feature=youtu.be



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Fourth broken hellcat striker, and in the same spot where the hollow body meets the safety hook.

I suspect if youtubers were dry firing their hellcats hundreds of times a day, and without snap caps, like they did with the P 365, we'd be seeing more broken hellcat strikers

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFVonprghc&feature=youtu.be



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You can't begin to imagine what people do in the store when they try a gun. Some rack the slide, back and forth as FAST as they can, then pull the trigger... some do this several times, which irks the hell out of me.. ( I call them Wannbee Operators) They continue to squeeze the triggers, Up to a dozen times, until I ask them to Please stop, as unless you do a trigger job, it's not gonna change. This seems to be the Fanboy rage lately, run the slides as fast a possible, and then pull the triggers as much as possible..
 

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So far it's at four or five broken hellcat strikers (two or three on GlockTalk and two on You Tube) from little to no dry firing and fairly low round counts- they're breaking at the safety hook where the hook meets the hollow shaft.

A fractured barrel feed ramp.
A broken pin.
Some dead sights and some loose sights.
And some sort of issues with the triggers.
 

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So why do you hate this gun so much? A total of 5-6 failures in the 10's of thousands sold is not a huge problem. Every single gun manufacturer has a few failures here and there including glock.
 

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Big Western; I'm looking into this thread and you really do seem to "have a bee in your bonnet" about the Hellcat, an axe to grind about this particular pistol. This thread has strayed from being informative to being a driven and obsessive Hellcat-bashing Forum event.

Why is that?

Failures abound on the internet, with Hellcats, Glocks, SIG 365s, Bretta 92s, and, horror of horrors, with even my personal sacred cows, Smith & Wesson revolvers and 1911-guns!


Pick yer poison.

Broken 1911s of all kinds and descriptions. Is nothin' sacred!
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+1911s&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjd9_Ds4__nAhVSmK0KHe2CCJIQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=broken+1911s&gs_l=img.3..0.202786.374685..375094...8.0..4.858.6237.0j5j2j6j2j2j1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i8i30.YnJBkFq7OqA&ei=YxNfXp26K9KwtgXthaKQCQ&bih=822&biw=1257&client=firefox-b-1-d

Broken Smith & Wessons. Revolver durability busted for all to see!
https://www.google.com/search?q=smith+&+wesson+revolver+failures&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi-hK7D5f_nAhUBVawKHYbpB9MQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=smith+&+wesson+revolver+failures&gs_l=img.3...29829.30763..32119...0.0..0.175.1160.0j9......0....1..gws-wiz-img.9ykSMkRrfNo&ei=JRVfXv7dHoGqsQWG05-YDQ&bih=822&biw=1257&client=firefox-b-1-d

Broken Berretta 92s. The Army can really pick 'em!
https://www.google.com/search?q=Beretta+92+failures&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj30_vT5f_nAhUMQqwKHbIUALgQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Beretta+92+failures&gs_l=img.12...26263.30394..33324...2.0..0.602.2307.0j12j5-1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i67j0j0i7i30.gUNZ0SCS3JI&ei=SBVfXvePFIyEsQWyqYDACw&bih=822&biw=1257&client=firefox-b-1-d

Broken SIG 365s. The dark underbelly of the current fad pistol!
https://www.google.com/search?q=SIG+365+failures&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiI1Prk5f_nAhXXaKwKHbbyBHcQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=SIG+365+failures&gs_l=img.3...42963.47463..48366...4.0..1.799.3720.0j2j1j2j1j1j2......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i7i30j0i7i5i30.qX4mv7mAEgQ&ei=axVfXsjyOtfRsQW25ZO4Bw&bih=822&biw=1257&client=firefox-b-1-d

Broken Glocks. Broken Glocks everywhere!
https://www.google.com/search?q=Glock+failures&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwil8pGZ5v_nAhUFZawKHWvmClkQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Glock+failures&gs_l=img.3..0j0i8i30l2.25588.30571..31755...4.0..2.805.7321.0j3j1j3j2j6j2......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i131j0i67.4rSVGKL3ZxM&ei=2RVfXuWhGIXKsQXrzKvIBQ&bih=822&biw=1257&client=firefox-b-1-d

Springfield Armory Hellcat failures. Oh the humanity!
https://www.google.com/search?q=Springfield+Armory+Hellcat+failure&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiWwo3j5v_nAhVIR6wKHZsRC74Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Springfield+Armory+Hellcat+failure&gs_l=img.12...0.0..6464...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz-img.rhy7H1HDUOo&ei=dBZfXpa4H8iOsQWbo6zwCw&bih=822&biw=1257&client=firefox-b-1-d

What's in a name? Perhaps it's the name Hellcat.
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+dodge+hellcat&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj7xviI6v_nAhUVL60KHWwHAvoQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=broken+dodge+hellcat&gs_l=img.3...88948.91443..91696...0.0..0.605.5664.3-1j4j6......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0j0i8i30j0i30.Plaw4Z1rK9s&ei=6RlfXruuCpXetAXsjojQDw&bih=822&biw=1242&client=firefox-b-1-d&hl=en-US

So, what to do?

Knitting looks nice.

Broken knitting needles.
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+knitting+needle&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiPp_vm5v_nAhVW96wKHZTUDq0Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=broken+knitting+needle&gs_l=img.3..0i24.220969.232195..232371...2.0..3.622.6850.0j16j1j2j3j4......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0j0i67j0i8i30.t-IgLQrnpLI&ei=fBZfXo_5JNbuswWUqbvoCg&bih=822&biw=1257&client=firefox-b-1-d

Perhaps yoyos?

Broken yoyo (string)
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+yoyo+string&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi4reCC6P_nAhVxka0KHV95BZwQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=broken+yoyo+string&gs_l=img.3..0i24.20055.20977..21208...0.0..0.233.999.0j6j1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i30.xXtnUN1xVII&ei=wxdfXvi_E_GitgXf8pXgCQ&bih=822&biw=1242&client=firefox-b-1-d&hl=en-US

Fishing? That's it!

Broken fishing reels
https://www.google.com/search?q=Broken+fishing+reel&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiU0q6O6P_nAhVJSKwKHc_PAQwQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Broken+fishing+reel&gs_l=img.3..0j0i24.60927.67954..68224...5.0..2.620.8543.0j8j5j2j6j5......0....1..gws-wiz-img.....0..0i67j0i5i30j0i8i30.1PhoIJsHGbs&ei=2xdfXtT4KMmQsQXPn4dg&bih=822&biw=1242&client=firefox-b-1-d&hl=en-US

Coin collecting? They don't make 'em like they used to (if they ever did).
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+coin+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjo6JTX6P_nAhVJVawKHUbgC1kQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=broken+coin+&gs_l=img.12..0j0i30j0i24l2.6461.6461..9321...0.0..0.157.157.0j1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.DYJetQ3rpLE&ei=dBhfXujeFMmqsQXGwK_IBQ&bih=822&biw=1242&client=firefox-b-1-d&hl=en-US

There's nothing we can safely use or do without encountering breakage or failure so perhaps we'd better just sit securely, yet idly in our chairs.

Nope. Can't do that.
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+chairs&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwis4Pyh6f_nAhUOWKwKHaAIAFcQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=broken+chairs&gs_l=img.3..0l3j0i7i10i30j0i7i30l4j0i5i30l2.21883.21883..25040...0.0..0.165.165.0j1......0....1..gws-wiz-img.gr4eHLRBKK4&ei=ERlfXuyTDo6wsQWgkYC4BQ&bih=822&biw=1242&client=firefox-b-1-d&hl=en-US

That just leaves us sitting around on our thumbs.
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+thumbs&tbm=isch&hl=en-US&chips=q:broken+thumbs,g_1:badly:Id7JNGyxvao=&client=firefox-b-1-d&hl=en-US&ved=2ahUKEwjbk7X76f_nAhVvh60KHbvJDBUQ4lYoAnoECAEQGA&biw=1242&bih=822
 
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