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Bmcgilvray started a topic on old vs. new bullets. That thread is here...http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum...ding-handgun-bullets-better-whats-better.html

I found the thread very thought provoking and started on a mission to find more information. For those interested, I carry a .45 and a 9mm my load of choice is 230gr gold dots in the .45 and 124gr +p+ in the 9mm.

I have followed Dave Spaulding for a few years now. I missed a great opportunity to train with him back in May. My fault. He is a very well respected instructor in the firearms community. I was talking to a friend of his this evening (friend Of mine as well) and he informed me of some of his videos that he found interest in. I checked them out and found them very interesting. These two videos really put things into perspective as far as I am concerned. In the thread I mentioned that Bmc started it was mentioned that testing on humans was out of the question, and that data was virtually not available. Dave has the data from autopsy's of shootings. I hope you find this as interesting as I did..I think it pertains to the other thread.

He is the first part.

 

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Here is the second part....

 

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The best stopping power is a siren and a badge. Anything less is just a long stick.
 
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Harry even after the third or forth time watching these I still catch information that I use for reinforcement in discussions with the people I help!

Again why the change from the kitty Kathy?
 

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A good balanced look at the topic of expanded bullet advances. I enjoyed the second clip especially.

I have some boxes of that "evil" 9mm 147 grain Black Talon ammo on hand. It goes into the Hi-Power in the rare instances that it is carried. It mostly sees duties as an occasional "car gun" on road trips.
 

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Good stuff Harryball.
 

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Wait a minute!

It just occurred to me that I'm being blamed.
 
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Good videos. I saw them on his YouTube channel when he first put them out. It was good to watch them again. Lots of good information contained within.
 

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Harry, thanks for posting the videos. I had not seen these before and they are quite informative.
 

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Question. I have read posts by guys who do autopsies and explained how each bullet acted but they only see the dead guy. What everyone wants to know is if the bullet stopped the bad guy in his tracks. Does not matter if the bullet expands or not; was the bad guy stopped? The problem I have with all of this stuff is that I can put an ice pick into someone brain stem and stop them immediately. Does that mean that an ice pick has 100% stopping power? You see, people stop for two reasons; psychological and physical. As far as the physical goes, you either hit the CNS or wait for the poor SOB to bleed out. The difference in bullet sizes is only fractions of an inch and not the big differences they are made out to be. So the difference in the time it takes to bleed out is not going to be that much different with a single bullet shot. On the other hand, you can stop someone cold with a .22 to the brain or a .44 magnum. The only difference will be is that one is messier than the other.

Put anything, whether it be a bullet, an ice pick or a pocket knife, in the right place and you will have stopping power no matter how big it is. All that you need is penetration and accurate aiming. The advantage of bigger bullets is that you have more room for error but again, we are talking fractions of an inch. Shot someone in the arm with a .45 or a .22 and if they stop it is not because of the caliber.

Too much is made of stopping power and I think that is because the majority of gun owners never served in combat where people were stopped all the time and no one asked what caliber it was. They are looking at numbers to explain something physical. Almost like trying to pick the winner of a horse race by the record of the horse and jockey. May work some times but not enough to keep you from being wrong most of the time. :)
 

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Awesome info! Thanks for the links.:smile:
 

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Thanks for the post. I've never seen these videos before.
 

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Harry even after the third or forth time watching these I still catch information that I use for reinforcement in discussions with the people I help!

Again why the change from the kitty Kathy?
The Kitty was not working anymore..I think Mr Niceguy is more reflective.....

Bmcgilvray

Wait a minute!

It just occurred to me that I'm being blamed.
In a good way yes you are..:wink:

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Harry, why are you trying to start a caliber war. You know that the 357 Sig is FAR superior to the 9mm.
You noticed he did not mention the .357 sig..I wonder why not....:tongue:
 
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Thanks for posting these Harry! I always enjoy reading or listening to Spaulding. Great videos and some great information for the forum.
 
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