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Since I didn't want to hijack the thread Sucker punch and robbed at McDonalds, let me start a new one.

As a reminder, here is the video

Sucker punch and robbed at McDonalds

Now, let's say that the man who was punched was your husband/wife/child (older)/friend. You were actually in the restroom while he was ordering for both of you. As he is being hit, say you were about 10 or so feet away walking back to the line to join him.

Now what do you do?
 

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Immediately, I go to check on my loved one, and call 911 for medical assistance. By the time I reach the loved one, the BG is already gone with the wallet,I don't know if he has a weapon, and trying to stop him could get me hurt or killed, not worth the contents of a wallet.
 

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If I saw that happen I would run after him as fast as I could.If I caught him I would detain him while protecting myself.
 

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Scream at the attacker as I draw.

When he turns and runs toward me, I will fire multiple times.

If he doesn't get off my loved one when I scream, I will close the distance (if needed to get a clear shot) and end the threat.

Easiest decisions I've made all day.

If he tries to run the other way... not sure what I'll do. I believe I can close the distance and catch him, but I'm not sure if that's the best choice since I'll be holding a gun in my hand, and catching him would invite a struggle. If he's armed, he's still a threat, so take him out. If he's unarmed and fleeing, I probably don't have a legal justification to shoot.
 

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He's already established himself as a threat to the public, so take him out if you have the clear opportunity becuase that threat could quickly turn toward you or others within the establishment. Of course, we can all voice opinions after the fact, but this could have just as easily happened to a CCW holder.

I can't say this enough: There's no such thing as a retreating assailant, they're actually fleeing criminals! I like how Grady put it: End the threat. 3 very key words to understand because the threat has not ceased just because the perp has ran out the door.

Keep your head on a swivel and be fully aware of your surroundings. The perp was giving so many cues it should have been picked up.

By the way, if you don't know the McD's menu by now then view it from a distance before you get to the counter to order.
 

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Scream at the attacker as I draw.

When he turns and runs toward me, I will fire multiple times.

If he doesn't get off my loved one when I scream, I will close the distance (if needed to get a clear shot) and end the threat.

Easiest decisions I've made all day.

If he tries to run the other way... not sure what I'll do. I believe I can close the distance and catch him, but I'm not sure if that's the best choice since I'll be holding a gun in my hand, and catching him would invite a struggle. If he's armed, he's still a threat, so take him out. If he's unarmed and fleeing, I probably don't have a legal justification to shoot.
Exactly...
When my wife or other family member is involved, the thug might as well have punched me...now it's my turn.:rolleyes:
 

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I actually had your scenario happen in the ER about 10 years ago...

We had a scuffle where I and another staff member had to escort a belligerent and intoxicated husband of a patient outside. For the record, he had shot his wife in the forearm and was an obvious "dirt bag," intoxicated, filthy jeans, bare chested and wearing a leather biker jacket, and being an ass! When I told him he had to leave, he tried to get into a shoving match with me and egg me on. He had a moment of clarity when a female co-worker said hey, we're trying to help your wife and you're preventing us from doing our job... He then allowed me and a staff member to escort him outside talking smack the whole way.

As we were escorting him out, another relative (scumbag #2)... slightly bigger than scumbag #1, equally scuzzy, (Filthy clothes, unshaven, biker jacket, rebel kepi hat, old stench of alcohol and B.O) sort of brushed past us into the ER. He turned out to be the victim's uncle.

While outside with scumbag #1, co-worker and I heard screaming in ER. As I re-entered the ER I saw scumbag #2 behind the nurses station, (No Fly Zone for civilians) One nurse was crying, face red, bloody nose and not wearing her glasses anymore. Our ER doctor had just come out of his sleep room half asleep with no shoes on because of the commotion, and was 1/2 asleep and attempting to deal with scumbag#2. I was about 20 feet away just as I saw scumbag #2 poke ER doc right in the eye with a braced finger intentionally trying to do severe and permanent damage. ER doc immediately grabbed his eye tried to defend himself by attempting to kick him from side into knee joint but wearing socks, slipped on tile floor and got only a glancing blow. Plus he was essentially out of the fight with the first blow because he lost his vision and wasn't prepared for it.

I immediately yelled at scumbag #2 saying Oh no you don't as I covered the 20 feet in about 2 seconds. As I hit him full force I grabbed his trachea and tried to put his head through a wire mesh security window directly behind him which separated our "trauma room" from the nurses station. I slammed his head about 3 times but couldn't break the window with his head, so I reached down with left hand and grabbed his groin and body slammed him onto tile floor.

Then got on top of him and while I was applying the LVNR, (Lateral Vascular Neck Restraint) the ER doc had regained his composure and was trying to help me subdue him but really couldn't see anything. ER doc was saying, don't kill him, don't kill him. I told ER doc he'd be unconscious in about 3 more seconds when LEO's arrived and cuffed him.

What I didn't see because I was outside with scumbag #1 at the time was that scumbag #2 had taken one of the telephone receivers and had cold cocked the female staff members right in the face which broke her glasses and sent them flying off her face and bloodied her nose. That prompted all the screaming which got the ER doc out of bed to see what was going on.

When the Highway Patrol arrived they informed us that the whole family was kind of outlaw biker types who were meth cooks and they wouldn't be surprised if the husband who shot his wife disappeared.

What was interesting to find out, was that the other medic, who was my ambulance partner (and the only other male member there that night besides the ER doc) just stood there about 10 feet away the entire time watching. It's a hospital based EMS service so the medics work as staff in the ER when not on an ambulance call. I turned to him and said, I'm glad I found you out before this happened when we were out on the street by ourselves.

ER doc had a corneal abrasion over 90% of his right eye and has to have his vision checked every year to see if he will develop glaucoma and missed about 4 shifts because of the pain and discomfort. The nurse who got cold cocked was OK with no broken nose or lasting injury.
 

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What was interesting to find out, was that the other medic, who was my ambulance partner (and the only other male member there that night besides the ER doc) just stood there about 10 feet away the entire time watching. It's a hospital based EMS service so the medics work as staff in the ER when not on an ambulance call. I turned to him and said, I'm glad I found you out before this happened when we were out on the street by ourselves.
It would be time for a Man to Man discussion in an area not observable by other personnel
 

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Immediately, I go to check on my loved one, and call 911 for medical assistance. By the time I reach the loved one, the BG is already gone with the wallet,I don't know if he has a weapon, and trying to stop him could get me hurt or killed, not worth the contents of a wallet.
+1 Rugergirl, about all any of us could do i think.
 

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+1 Rugergirl, about all any of us could do i think.
I agree - the guy in the video, however, had ZERO situational awareness - ZIP, NADA. That's rule #1. The OP's scenario, however, is different. My wife is disabled so this is a no-brainer. Try to take him out IF you've got a clean shot then assist your family.
 

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Now, let's say that the man who was punched was your husband/wife/child (older)/friend. You were actually in the restroom while he was ordering for both of you. As he is being hit, say you were about 10 or so feet away walking back to the line to join him.

Now what do you do?

Scuzballs of this type only understand one thing...PAIN.

I would apply the maximum of force in a minimum amount of time.
 

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I asked my wife what she would do if that happened to me......

Her 1st response was...."That wouldn't have happened to you!"...."You don't walk around it 'white'!"

(We have a little game we play in public, where we comment (....actually make fun of...) on the sheeple we see in 'white'.)

Her next response was...."...If it did happen, I would shoot him as he goes to take your wallet, since while getting the wallet he may get your gun!"

Glad I married her & GLAD SHE CARRIES!
 

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:hand10: Farm... you have a keeper there in "the little lady!"
 

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I have found myself in several incidents similar to the one Bark’n talked about. I have always been extremely protective of my partner, other co workers and am known for being one of the first to jump in.

I have always been a fan of the “bilateral carotid massage”

Honestly, I am afraid that I would make some tactical mistakes if I came around a corner and saw someone standing over my wife in that way. I am sure my first reaction would be to hit them in a full force run. Let the fight begin.
 

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I'm afraid it wouldnt need to be a loved one for me. After seeing that, I'm in fullout attack mode and the BG better hope he can out run my big azz.:image035:
 

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YUP!

Scream at the attacker as I draw.

When he turns and runs toward me, I will fire multiple times.

If he doesn't get off my loved one when I scream, I will close the distance (if needed to get a clear shot) and end the threat.

Easiest decisions I've made all day.
If he runs, I let him go. First priority is making sure my BRIDE is safe.
 

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What was interesting to find out, was that the other medic, who was my ambulance partner (and the only other male member there that night besides the ER doc) just stood there about 10 feet away the entire time watching. It's a hospital based EMS service so the medics work as staff in the ER when not on an ambulance call. I turned to him and said, I'm glad I found you out before this happened when we were out on the street by ourselves.
I'm going to have to take issue with the above.

While it is true that past situations are an indicator of how one may act in the future, they are not a guarantee. I have seen people stand still and do nothing during an encounter and during the next encounter, very similar or even more dangerous than the first, respond magnificently. Heck, I've even done it myself.

Bear in mind too, the culture and atmosphere of an ER is such that he may have been saddled with doubt as to how the "powers that be" would support him. It can be duanting to have to deal with bureaucrats that will go through every move you make with a fine tooth comb. Sometimes it's just easier to shoot someone than to go through the crap that is put forth, and we both know how I feel about getting involved in a shooting. "There are no winners in a gunfight, only survivors."

Now if your partner on the other hand had a habit of talking "trash" and appearing to be the big man when the odds are in his favor, but a mouse when push came to shove, then yes, it's time to drop him like a syphilitic Nun.

Just my $0.02 on the matter and I'm not trying to derail this thread. I just wanted to point something out that was raised in this thread. Respectfully,

Biker
 
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