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I bought a Winthrop IWB for my EMP and it's not working out too well. I'm pretty thin (in shape... Do a lot of mtb and running) and have a bit of a curved in back and my butt sticks out. So the butt on of th gun using the wWinthrop sticks out. The snaps seem to come undone easily too . Any suggestions? I was thinking of a pure kustom because of the preformed curve and multiple angle options of the black ops, or maybe a hybrid.
 

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Finding a holster that matches the specific curves and shape on our individual bodies, given where we choose to carry, can be a challenge. We're each different.

Sounds like the butt-end of the gun isn't being held as snugly into your body as you'd prefer, certainly not enough to easily conceal the butt-end from "printing" through your clothing. This is a fairly common thing for many folks. Generally trying carrying at a different spot along the belt yields better/worse concealment. Am assuming you've tried a variety of spots.


Some questions ...

  • Where along the waist are you carrying? 3 o'clock, 3:30, 4:30, 6 o'clock (small of the back)? Have you tried varying it?

  • On the "curve": Meaning, around your waist/hip as you go around the "clock," or do you mean vertically with respect to the swell of your hip/leg/butt below the belt area?

  • Does your holster have any cant to it? In my experience, with my body shape and preferences, I find forward cant of 20º can make a huge difference, depending where I'm trying to carry it.

  • What belt do you have? (ie, double-thick cowhide, 1.5" wide, designed to carry ~40oz large pistols.) It's important to have a decently stiff and capable one, one that's well-designed to support a holstered firearm properly. Ideally, too, I've found it useful to consider a contour to the belt, assuming your body shape benefits from a contoured belt. Sometimes, certain people find straight-as-a-board belts to cut into the hip and do weird things with concealment, hiking the holster out in strange directions given that it won't allow the belt/holster to nicely conform to the curve around the waist at that spot.

  • Got any photos of you carrying at the "trouble" spot?

Simplest options for most of us generally include: Trying a different spot along the belt (ie, instead of 3:30, try 5 o'clock). Ensure your belt's really up to snuff, given the load and your body's curves. Evaluate cant, whether having a degree of cant might alter things. Once you've got a line on what the problem is, consider a different holster (as you're doing), as all holsters will have a different shape and match your particularly body shape/size differently.
 

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Thanks for the input. I've tried different locations, but with this holsterI ddon't think it'll help. I think I need more cant possibly. Here's a couple pics... Hard to get a good photo. I have a 1.5 inch belt from Jerry Hart Bissell so that's not the issue.
Finding a holster that matches the specific curves and shape on our individual bodies, given where we choose to carry, can be a challenge. We're each different.
ounds like the butt-end of the gun isn't being held as snugly into your body as you'd prefer, certainly not enough to easily conceal the butt-end from "printing" through your clothing. This is a fairly common thing for many folks. Generally trying carrying at a different spot along the belt yields better/worse concealment. Am assuming you've tried a variety of spots.


Some questions ...

  • Where along the waist are you carrying? 3 o'clock, 3:30, 4:30, 6 o'clock (small of the back)? Have you tried varying it?

  • On the "curve": Meaning, around your waist/hip as you go around the "clock," or do you mean vertically with respect to the swell of your hip/leg/butt below the belt area?

  • Does your holster have any cant to it? In my experience, with my body shape and preferences, I find forward cant of 20º can make a huge difference, depending where I'm trying to carry it.

  • What belt do you have? (ie, double-thick cowhide, 1.5" wide, designed to carry ~40oz large pistols.) It's important to have a decently stiff and capable one, one that's well-designed to support a holstered firearm properly. Ideally, too, I've found it useful to consider a contour to the belt, assuming your body shape benefits from a contoured belt. Sometimes, certain people find straight-as-a-board belts to cut into the hip and do weird things with concealment, hiking the holster out in strange directions given that it won't allow the belt/holster to nicely conform to the curve around the waist at that spot.

  • Got any photos of you carrying at the "trouble" spot?

Simplest options for most of us generally include: Trying a different spot along the belt (ie, instead of 3:30, try 5 o'clock). Ensure your belt's really up to snuff, given the load and your body's curves. Evaluate cant, whether having a degree of cant might alter things. Once you've got a line on what the problem is, consider a different holster (as you're doing), as all holsters will have a different shape and match your particularly body shape/size differently.
 

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Good Pictures. One thing that I have found after trial and error is that there are certain shirts that I cannot wear and still conceal my firearm. I suggest purchasing a few slightly bigger shirts to remove the printing of the grip and back of slide...
 

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That was just a shirt I had on when I threw the belt and holster on for the pictures. I also have it kind of pulled tight for the pics too.
 

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OK, on that note, I just started using the Crossbreed Supertuck and like it a lot. It holds the butt of the gun close to my side and the clips don't ride up off of my belt. I went through the multiple adjustments they offer and settled on one that fits my body. They are expensive and take a while to get on the down side.
 

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Thanks for the input. I've tried different locations, but with this holsterI ddon't think it'll help. I think I need more cant possibly. Here's a couple pics... Hard to get a good photo. I have a 1.5 inch belt from Jerry Hart Bissell so that's not the issue.
Good pics of the area in question. Larger gun, "average/trim" sort of physique. Big butt-end on the gun (which is why the CCO vs fully Gov't model 1911 is useful, to get around exactly this sort of issue).

Looks to me like you're fairly trim, that your shirt has a reasonable amount of "extra" material in it to accommodate the gun. Looks like you've got the quality belt well covered.

Larger gun, but you've got a holster with a fair width to it and decently widely-spaced loops, to help spread the load.

Try moving the gun from ~3 to roughly 4:30 or so. Might take different pants or moving the belt loops, if your holster choice doesn't line up with them well. Or consider the appendix region, for carry, in the 1-2 o'clock range. Sad to say, you likely won't know what works best with your shape/curves until you try a variety.

And, yes, a bit more forward cant might well help. Carried at 3-3:30, like you I tend to have larger guns have their butt-ends protrude on me. Which is the primary reason I love ~20-25º forward cant. Of course, that'll change the angle of the muzzle end, and at some point a larger gun's muzzle is going to start digging into the pants material with "too much" forward cant. But, a balanced approach can help, and on somewhat smaller-butted guns it can make a world of difference to make the bulge at that spot disappear.

A holster that sits even lower might work for you. Or, a "tuckable" design might be preferable.

Keep in mind that all holsters are different in terms of how snugly they hold the top/but ends of the gun to your body. And it'll vary somewhat from body shape to shape.

Might try shirts with slightly more "billow" and patterning, to break up the sight of the bulge/edges. It'll particularly matter when bending forward/around. Generally, plain patterns/colors can show up such bulges worst (or, best, depending on POV).
 

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I'm 5'8 and 138. The gun is an EMP9 which is the smallest 1911 you can get I believe. 3" barrel and smaller grip. I'm thinking of maybe trying this
Invisi-Tuck? Extreme CCW Holster - American Holster Company | American Holster Company

Good pics of the area in question. Larger gun, "average/trim" sort of physique. Big butt-end on the gun (which is why the CCO vs fully Gov't model 1911 is useful, to get around exactly this sort of issue).

Looks to me like you're fairly trim, that your shirt has a reasonable amount of "extra" material in it to accommodate the gun. Looks like you've got the quality belt well covered.

Larger gun, but you've got a holster with a fair width to it and decently widely-spaced loops, to help spread the load.

Try moving the gun from ~3 to roughly 4:30 or so. Might take different pants or moving the belt loops, if your holster choice doesn't line up with them well. Or consider the appendix region, for carry, in the 1-2 o'clock range. Sad to say, you likely won't know what works best with your shape/curves until you try a variety.

And, yes, a bit more forward cant might well help. Carried at 3-3:30, like you I tend to have larger guns have their butt-ends protrude on me. Which is the primary reason I love ~20-25º forward cant. Of course, that'll change the angle of the muzzle end, and at some point a larger gun's muzzle is going to start digging into the pants material with "too much" forward cant. But, a balanced approach can help, and on somewhat smaller-butted guns it can make a world of difference to make the bulge at that spot disappear.

A holster that sits even lower might work for you. Or, a "tuckable" design might be preferable.

Keep in mind that all holsters are different in terms of how snugly they hold the top/but ends of the gun to your body. And it'll vary somewhat from body shape to shape.

Might try shirts with slightly more "billow" and patterning, to break up the sight of the bulge/edges. It'll particularly matter when bending forward/around. Generally, plain patterns/colors can show up such bulges worst (or, best, depending on POV).
 

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Just a thought a left handed inside the wiste worn in the middle of your back allowing a right hand draw. This is where I settled and the indent in my back allows me to drive with comfort with the gun in place. The only down side is you have a hard time drawing while driving other than that it has been my answer.
 

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Ughh.. 8 month wait... Think I'll try an old Faithful hybrid and see if I can get that to work.
On the American Holster site, there's an article listed that compares various tuckable type holsters, including the Invisi-Tuck, Crossbreed and the Galco V-Hawk.

FYI, on the Galco web site right now, the V-Hawk is available in-stock for 3" 1911's RH: click. Midway USA also lists this available on their web site as avail/ready: click. Though it's not listed as available for the Springer EMP, you might call them to check whether it'll work; or call Springfield to see whether they'd vouch for the EMP working in "standard" 3" 1911 holsters that are generically designed.
 

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Received my Old Faithful IWB a couple days ago. Think it's going to work well. Holds the grip a lot tighter in plus I can get a lot more cant which helps with my figure. Wearing it a bit around the house breaking it in.

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Yea, that's why the clips are where they're at and why I picked this holster up.

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I'm 6ft and 160lbs I'm a thin guy also I had the same problems with my emp wearing a old faithful. I ended up trading it in on a SIG p938 and could not be any more happy. If there is one thing I miss its that 4.5lb trigger on the emp by far the best trigger I have ever felt!
 
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