[P95Carry]

It's late evening - your wife asks you to drop down to the ''8 till late'' half a mile away, to pick up a jug of milk and a loaf of bread.

You arrive, park in small empty lot, go in and get the goods. Brief chat with clerk who you know - and five minutes later you return to car. Parking lot still appears empty as you scan, and no traffic visible.

As you are about to start up, a car drives in real quick and stops abruptly, blocking your exit about six feet away - you have no way to reverse into any useable clear space. Two guys immediately get out and each carries a gun hanging lose at side, each one heading for opposite sides of your car.

Total time from the appearance of car to the guys approaching - max 4 seconds.

Your action - based on no guns actually pointing and no shots yet fired? Remember, you are in your car, door shut. You are of course carrying.

Go!!

 

[P95Carry]

reverse in my p/u works just fine.

Ahh but Rocky - per my post ....

you have no way to reverse into any useable clear space.

Plus if you drive forward to smash their car you actually have to close on those guys in so doing. Unless they are sufficiently surprised - they'll have an edge on you?

 

[P95Carry]

If it could be established (extremely fast) that they are not LEO

I think a safe assumption here they are not - due to mode of gun carry - lose at side as against (I'd expect) low ready from LE.

Re ramming - remember at this point the car is not yet engine running - our guy has not yet gotten to that. Plus any reversing will only smash his back end.

Good point re where and how we park - I agree on the comment cmb. Unfortunately our guy forgot that sound decision this time!!

 

[P95Carry]

KC - true, 6 feet is quite a lot but - with a car stopped right across the bows of another, I'd doubt anything has enough steering lock to make one forward pass and reliably clear the other.

During such an attempt you would draw right alongside the BG on driver's side too.

Sorry it comes over a poorly conceived! Perhaps a diagram would help.

 

[P95Carry]

Since they are really interested in their friend who is at the payphone on the side of the building in front of my car,

Where did that bit come from Tom?? :smile:

Steve - I did mention - the clerk is a friend

Brief chat with clerk who you know

- well, someone known, so - not BG category. For sure, this dude would have been better advised to not be shopping at this time of day with few folks around.

Q-Ball - I think you have about the only option - which might in fact mean go down fighting. Just possibly the guy could open door and draw and engage BG #1 real quick, probably keeping low, if not actually going to ground. The biggest single factor seems to be time - lack of it!!

If we make an assumption that the good guy was at least condition yellow, then just perhaps he might get his window down as car appears - possibly even draw too as a precaution - this would increase initial options thru time saving and greater opportunity to lean out of window for initial engagement.

The only reason I even made this post was, following a description of something very similar from a buddy, outside of Cincinnati IIRC - except the guys who appeared did not cut off a means of escape and were not armed. They were in fact also going shopping but were briefly both approaching his car. It made him and me consider how bad things could be in the scenario I tried to paint.

 

[P95Carry]

Some good thoughts GS - I wonder - were you ever a jailer!? LOL.

 

[P95Carry]

Not a bad plan TR, tho stage #2 is not one I'd relish - but then in extremis we do what has to be done. If survived then I guess tinnitus is gonna be least of our problems!

 

[P95Carry]

bullets are deflected less going from inside to outside thru the glass than from out to in

I guess that's a ''curvature thing'' - seems likely.

Spalling? Hmmm - I reckon spalling would be as bad on an out to in shot probably - tho much depends maybe on the type of lamination - and how well bonded the glass is to the polymer sandwich.

I'll take a rain check on the testing LOL!

 

[P95Carry]

TR - I might also try with CT's thru windshield tho I daresay if approx normal to surface then refraction will be minor and so deflection minimal. The BG would see not so much a red dot on his chest but a sinister red glow - in my case just to right of bore axis!!!! Probably if dirt on windshield then a red dot may show there too.

As for ''Eddie the Eagle Edwards'' well - what can I say - there were some bred who just were not gonna make it big (other than ''celebrity'' status!!) :biggrin: