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Tell me what you know about them.

I know that some were made on Colt Factory equipment that was sent down to Brazil??? That is about all I really know.

Are they substandard in any way?

Is the steel that they are made from the same as Colt steel?

Is the machine work as good...even though the machine work is SOMETIMES not all that great on COLT slides either.

Do they "make up" into decent pistols?

Is it just the fact that they were Made In Brazil make them Not As Popular or worth as much as American Colt slides?
 

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Is it just the fact that they were Made In Brazil make them Not As Popular or worth as much as American Colt slides?
I believe that is the case. the Sistema's are very good pistols. They are not always finished as nicely as Colt's, but they are well built with good steel. Colt produced the first 10,000 1927's in Hartford Conn. (known as Hartford Colt's) and then sent engineers to Argentina to help F.M.A.P set up production.
 

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If my Sistema is anything to by - then ''back then'' at least - the quality aspect seems up to par.

As for current offerings, not at all sure.

OD - do you know, or anyone - a way of dating a Sistema?
 

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Dating A Sistema

Maybe in Hallocks .45 Auto Handbook.
If I can find the doggone thing...I'll check.
 

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Chris, I'll look around and see if I can find the 1927-1944 numbers.

Numbers Produced at FMAP Rosario and Serials, 1945-1966

1945 - 6,000 - #24,001 - #30,000
1946 - 7,628 - #30,001 - #37,628
1947 - 5,000 - #37,629 - #42,628
1948 - 7,000 - #42,629 - #49,628
1949 - 5,000 - #49,629 - #54,628
1950 - 8,000 - #54,629 - #62,628
1951 - 8,011 - #62,629 - #70,639
1952 - 7,016 - #70,640 - #77,655
1953 - 2,500 - #77,656 - #80,155
1954 - 5,000 - #80,156 - #85,155
1955 - 2,500 - #85,156 - #87,655
1956 - 2,500 - #87,656 - #90,155
1957 - 5,626 - #90,156 - #95,781
1958 - 5,547 - #95,782 - #101,328
1959 - 5,000 - #101,329 - #106,328
1960 - 2,066 - #106,329 - #108,394
1961 - 1,000 - #108,395 - #109,394
1962 - 0
1963 - 600 - #109395 - #109,994
1964 - 750 - #109,995 - #110,744
1965 - 1,250 - #110,745 - #111,994
1966 - 500 - #111,995 - #112,494
 

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As for current offerings, not at all sure.
Current offerings, providing they're Imbel, are top rate. Most of the current Springfields have Imbel frames and slides, and if you hang around the seriously evil guys long enough, you know we all pretty much love Imbel. ;0
 

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OD - you Sir are a star! Many thx for that valuable info.

That puts mine at 1959 - excellent. :smile:
 

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Way To Go OD !!!

Good Man!

and Thanks rfurtkamp
 

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Chris & QK, you're welcome sir's.

Robert, all Springer 1911s are IMBEL forged. Some are completely finished & assembled in Brazil, are marked "Made in Brazil" and carry the "IMBEL" marking under the right stock panel, those finished and assembled here, do not.
IMBEL - Brazil
FMAP - Argentina
Two different companies.
 

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My Lightweight Springer Has the imbel marking on the Frame but non of the Rest of my springers do its under right grip panned and under the Front part of the frame in front of the trigger guard
 
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