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Threat focus shooting is something that is best done without thinking about it. It is a technique that is best shown, then done. That is the truth of the matter, but because of this it is often seen as some sort of parlor trick or worse, something that is not accurate or dependable. I would like to take an approach to this that I have not seen before. That approach being, to try to break down why threat focus shooting actually works. By breaking it down to it's "bare bones" we could take some of the mystique away.

There are many elements that go into accurate threat focused shooting and by knowing exactly what those elements are we will see that we are actually using a very well developed aiming system. By knowing that it is a well developed aiming system, the confidence in the technique will soar and when the time comes that you need it, it will be there like a trusted friend.

First lets look at the elements of sighted fire.

(1)Kinesthetic alignment

(2)Sight alignment

(3)Sight picture

This is a very simple and highly effective form of sighting in. But it is also something that is, in the most part, done on a conscious level.


Now let us look at the elements of threat focus shooting.

(1) Understanding and ability to square up.

(2) Understanding and ability to use the centerline.

(3) Understanding and ability to draw "Parallel to the ground."

(4) Understanding and ability to use your true visual centerline or as 7677 calls it, the nose index.

(6) Understanding and ability to use a body index.

(5) Kinesthetic alignment.

(7) Use of peripheral vision verification.

(8) Use of ones natural ability to point your finger at an object.

(9) Use of ones natural hand/eye coordination.

(10) Absolute confidence, knowing this all adds up to a very accurate system.

When broken down into it's elements it hardly looks mystical anymore. It seems to be a highly developed aiming system. Another thing to take into consideration is that almost all of this is done on a subconscious level. These are elements that you do not have to think about. That is why threat focused shooting is best done without thinking about it. Once you know the elements, trained with the elements, it all comes together in a micro second with zero conscious thought. This is why threat focused shooting excels in dynamic confrontations. It is a natural human response.
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There is a lot of misconception out there that threat focused shooting and especially FAS, is stance or position dependent. This is just not the case. "Shooting to Live" and "Bullseyes don't Shoot Back" cover the basics of threat focus shooting, nothing more.

The basics elements are as follows,

(1) Understanding and ability to square up.

(2) Understanding and ability to use the centerline.

(3) Understanding and ability to draw "Parallel to the ground."

(4) Understanding and ability to use a body index.

(5) Kinesthetic alignment.

(6) Use of ones natural ability to point your finger at an object.

The advanced elements take threat focus shooting to a whole other level, this is where you begin to make hits from any position, from any angle, with no conscious thought.

(1) Understanding and ability to use your true visual centerline, or what 7677 calls, your nose index.

(2) Use of peripheral vision verification.

(3) Use of ones natural hand/eye coordination.

(4) Absolute confidence, knowing this all adds up to a very accurate system.

The tenth element (absolute confidence) is the key and the ultimate goal. You can never reach your full potential until you a firm grasps of the basic elements and an absolute understanding of the advanced elements.
 

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Way too many.

Requires almost daily practice to stay proficient.

Works well only one plane.

Does not work well during movement.

Try it in different situations and the problems can be seen.

Distance is your friend, and standing still and shooting may get you dead.

If you like it, use it, but I'll pass.
 

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Just my opinion, but all that is way too deep and very confusing for the average person.

As one who has been involved in a shooting and ending the life of a person who took a shot at me, I can tell you from my own experience that things happen way too fast to consider all that stuff.

The key to living through a situation is a lot simpler..... practice to the point where everything that happens from the neck down is accomplished by instinctive reflex when all that training takes over.

I still use the phrase that I used to teach in motorcycle safety classes: SIPDE. It works well for concealed carry as well:

S - scan
I - Identify
P - Predict
D - Decide
E - Execute

SIPDE is a constant mental process, used for everything from riding a motorcycle to driving a car, and looking for potential threats in the concealed carry environment.

Once the SIPDE process becomes a part of one's thought process, the brain, eyes and ears do the work. Once a threat is identified and a course of action is decided, the execution is where constant practice comes into play and why I used the phrase above: "everything that happens from the neck down is accomplished by instinctive reflex when all that training takes over."
 

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good food for thought....

Another useful tool in honing skills is repetitive use of Airsoft guns in various drills...
 

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If Bob Munden can toss aspirin tablets up into the air and "powder" them 9 times out of 10 (the width of the moving "target" being LESS than the diameter of the fired projectile) and do it without using his handgun sights - then the average "Joe Person" can easily learn to consistently hit COM on a man size target at realistic self~defense distances by shooting at it instinctively.
Just my personal opinion on that.

It is really not much different than being able to quickly and instinctively hit EVERYTHING when you were a kid with your Slingshot or a Bean shooter - neither of which have sights.
I started early instinctively popping bottles, tin cans, frogs, (name it and whatever) with a .22 rifle.
It's the same thing...only with a handgun & not a rifle.
It's just making use of our natural ability to put something where we want it to go. :yup:

I have a decided advantage in that I don't have to teach it - and I don't have to promote it...and I don't even have to care who wants to learn it and who does not want to learn it ~ I only have to do it for myself. It works for me.

That being said...when I was a little boy my Mother always told me...she said:

"QKShooter...My Dear, Dear, Son...Some Day...You are either going to grow up to become President Of The United States...or a great Moderator on CombatCarry.com :wave: ~ There are three things NEVER to argue on any Internet Firearm Forum...those three things would be; Religion, Politics, & The Merits Of Instinctive Shooting." :biggrin2:

I hear you Mom...I'm staying out of this one too!
 

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The problem is we all learned how to shoot the wrong way, imo.
We should have started by using our middle fingers to pull the trigger and pointing with our index (just like quick-draw shooting). Reminds me of how we use a computer mouse today, points like 2nd nature.
My uncle did this over 10yrs ago and was one hell of a quick shot and was shooting empty soda cans for 7/10 at the min.
He stopped once a 357 went through his calf though :redface:
 

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Way too many.

Requires almost daily practice to stay proficient.

Works well only one plane.

Does not work well during movement.

Try it in different situations and the problems can be seen.

Distance is your friend, and standing still and shooting may get you dead.

If you like it, use it, but I'll pass.
There is nothing that you have said that my experience agrees with.

I can...... and have, taught the ten elements to anyone in less than five minutes. This is all done at a subconscious level in a micro second. Once you own the knowledge and the skills, maintenance is minimal......much less than sighted fire! What is so hard about that?

This is a very versatile system and covers the ability to make hits through your entire drawstroke, one handed and two. You can also hit anything from any position and any angle at logical distances.

This absolutely excels with movement out to around seven yards. Dynamic movement is the one key area that makes threat focused skills absolutely necessary.

Could you please tell me the situatons, besides outside of logical distances or precision shots. Those of course, would require that you use your sights. Getting to the sights is my default, but I will not die trying to get to something that may be impossible for me to get to.

Did you read my post? The second half let's you know that this is not a stance dependent technique. Distance is not always a luxury that you will have and standing still has nothing to do with my first post.
 

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DaveT said:
I still use the phrase that I used to teach in motorcycle safety classes: SIPDE. It works well for concealed carry as well:

S - scan
I - Identify
P - Predict
D - Decide
E - Execute

SIPDE is a constant mental process, used for everything from riding a motorcycle to driving a car, and looking for potential threats in the concealed carry environment. "
Here is a concept that i can get my head around.
 

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My reaction plan involves one step: make it out alive.
 

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Stance, movement

Sweatnbullets said:
There is nothing that you have said that my experience agrees with.

I can...... and have, taught the ten elements to anyone in less than five minutes. This is all done at a subconscious level in a micro second. Once you own the knowledge and the skills, maintenance is minimal......much less than sighted fire! What is so hard about that?

This is a very versatile system and covers the ability to make hits through your entire drawstroke, one handed and two. You can also hit anything from any position and any angle at logical distances.

This absolutely excels with movement out to around seven yards. Dynamic movement is the one key area that makes threat focused skills absolutely necessary.

Could you please tell me the situatons, besides outside of logical distances or precision shots. Those of course, would require that you use your sights. Getting to the sights is my default, but I will not die trying to get to something that may be impossible for me to get to.

Did you read my post? The second half let's you know that this is not a stance dependent technique. Distance is not always a luxury that you will have and standing still has nothing to do with my first post.
Yes I read your complete post twice before I replied. I just reread it again.

Distance--you grab distance, stance--I never mentioned stance--

Target is moving and so am I. I need my front sight--if you don't OK--And you must not have read my post--"If you like it , use it, But I'll pass."

Last I'll quote you: "There is nothing you have said that my experience agrees with." Same here. Will have to agree to disagree on this training.

Last, remember any decision that must be made takes time--and time that can be better spent catching up and getting ahead of the other guy's OODA loop.
 

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Just my opinion, but all that is way too deep and very confusing for the average person.

As one who has been involved in a shooting and ending the life of a person who took a shot at me, I can tell you from my own experience that things happen way too fast to consider all that stuff.

The key to living through a situation is a lot simpler..... practice to the point where everything that happens from the neck down is accomplished by instinctive reflex when all that training takes over.

I still use the phrase that I used to teach in motorcycle safety classes: SIPDE. It works well for concealed carry as well:

S - scan
I - Identify
P - Predict
D - Decide
E - Execute

SIPDE is a constant mental process, used for everything from riding a motorcycle to driving a car, and looking for potential threats in the concealed carry environment.

Once the SIPDE process becomes a part of one's thought process, the brain, eyes and ears do the work. Once a threat is identified and a course of action is decided, the execution is where constant practice comes into play and why I used the phrase above: "everything that happens from the neck down is accomplished by instinctive reflex when all that training takes over."
Very nice! This analogy is becoming more and more popular. The first time I heard it, it was actually from an anti-pointshooter. Boy did he make my point for me about being able to hit whatever you see at logical distances.

The last time I heard the analogy was just yesterday in my last students AAR of the course I ran him through here in Vegas.

Here is an attachment to that AAR.
 

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OK you have agreed to disagree...that is good.
It's fine to agree or disagree but, please let's not get started eating entire thread pages up repetitiously rehashing the exact same disagreements into senseless redundancy.
 

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Just my opinion, but all that is way too deep and very confusing for the average person.

As one who has been involved in a shooting and ending the life of a person who took a shot at me, I can tell you from my own experience that things happen way too fast to consider all that stuff.
Dave T, The Ten Elements were written for the people that do not understand threat focused shooting. Some will never give it a try and some will read the Ten Elements and think to themselves "that makes sense." We are talking about simple geometry here. Once you understand the simple geometry, you basically can not miss.Those that try the basic geometry and concepts have a whole new world opened to them and continue to add threat focused skills to their tool box.

As it says in the article, this is something that is best shown then done. Most of the threat focused instructors simply say "do this " and you would be able to "just do it." Some of the students are alright with the fact that they can "just do it." But from my experience most people want to know the "whys" of a new skill and technique.

I was taught to just do it. But, I also understood why it worked so well. By being able to explain why it works so well, I take my students confidence level to a whole other level. Make no mistake that confidence is the ultimate key to threat focused shooting.

As I've said a number of times the Ten Elements is all done at a sub-consciuous level in a microsecond. It would take me five minutes to explain it to you and you would be able to do it right away. The knowledge of the elements is not essential but sure helps you reach the same level of confidence that you have as a motorcycle rider.

Knowledge instills confidence. Confidence prevents panic. Preventing panic, makes the human machine run better.

As a threat focused instructor, all I do is introduce you to your natural abilities. Accurate threat focused shooting is something that almost every abled body individual is capable of. The human body, mind, and eyes are absolutely remarkable. Your natural abilities, reaction, response, and instincts are amazing things. One should train themselves to work inside of these assets. When the SHTF, the action is close and fast, and you find yourself behind the reactionary curve you will be solving the problem at the subconscious level. You will be doing things that is absolutely past the ability of conscious thought. The idea of the OODA loop is to ingrain responses that are accessed at a subconscious level. That is what puts you ahead of your adversary, because he is working at a conscious level. Some call this "unconsciously competent" I do not like this term....because I am not "unconscious." I prefer "subconsciously competent.":yup:

I believe that we are on the same page. I think you have misunderstood how complex the ten elements are. They are as basic as can be. Your body, mind, and eyes will fly through these elements like they were not even there.

They are written for the newbies that do not understand what threat focused shooting is all about.....thats all!
 

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Roger,

After reading and re-reading the link you provided with the link from 'Pat', I printed it out, then went back and compared it to what you have said in your first, and subsequent posts in this thread.

As you said, I believe we are on the same page.... in a round about sort of way. The SIPDE process that I mentioned would be a mental way of thinking that happens in the seconds leading up to a decision to shoot, your Ten Elements would kick in once the decision to Execute was made.

After reading Pat's review of the training you provided to him, I am both intrigued and curious. Even at 57 years of age, I am always open to new ways to aid in defending myself and my loved ones. The world is rapidly changing and all of us who carry CCW need to be as sharp and proficient as we can possibly hope to be.

Thanks for your courteous replies, especially in light of some pretty blunt responses, including my first one.

Also, my thanks for giving us all something else to think about! :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
 
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