It was acparmed's suggestion... So Bob dropped into my e-mail, insisting you all were reasonable and rational members who engaged in high-brow discussion... so he said. So I'm here, crusing around the posts... and I find you left out a carry method in the survey... And the story of that method is the story of how I first met acparmed. But that goes in the responses to the carry survey. Next chance available, we'll hook up a link out of our website to y'all. (TN expression adopted from TX) I look forward to the occasinal chat. Jim