[CJ810]

I haven't seen many of these signs. I don't know if I'm missing them or if it's just not that common.

For EDC how often is it that you have to change your plans, leave your gun in your car, park further away because you can't have the gun in the car in the p/l, etc.?

I'm just wondering how much of a headache that part of the law is?

 

[jgp]

We have it pretty good here. Except for:

Six Flags
Grapevine Mills Mall
Ft. Worth Stock Show
Ft. Worth Zoo (inside the gates, after you've paid admission!!)

And the usual:
Bars
Courthouses or offices of the court
Polling places
Hospitals and nursing homes*
Churches or other place of worship*
* only if effective notice is given

A few others, but if you look at some of these you'll see them. It's rare that I'm caught off guard and have to return to the car. That mall was one of those. Here's a cool resource for TX CHL:

Texas3006.com - Your 30.06 Information Resource - Home

Not affiliated, just appreciative.

I had my first reciprocity experience into Louisiana last week. Those folks can't carry into restaurants that serve alcohol period. I didn't see any kind of signs up anywhere though. I guess you'd just better know.

Jerry

 

[John Luttrel]

I had my first reciprocity experience into Louisiana last week. Those folks can't carry into restaurants that serve alcohol period. I didn't see any kind of signs up anywhere though. I guess you'd just better know.

Jerry

You were misinformed on that; I carry in Louisiana all the time and have done my home work on it. There are two types of liquor licenses in LA, one is a class A which is for a bar or bar area of a restaurant. The other is a class AR, which is for a restaurant that serves alcohol with it's meals.

It is illegal to carry in a bar that has only a class A license or in the bar area of a place that has a class AR license. It is perfectly legal to carry in the restaurant area of a place that has a class AR license.

The easiest way to tell if it's off limits, is if you can take an under aged person in the place for a meal, you are ok to carry there. For instance, you can not take a child in a bar to eat, but you can take them into a TGIF.

Of course, if the place is posted against firearms, you can not carry regardless of the type of liquor license it has.

On a side note, open carry is legal in Louisiana, however I don't, because I feel it gives the bangers an advantage if they know I'm carrying.

 

[TX-JB]

Here in the Houston/Sugar Land area the only places I have seen them is at hospitals and other major medical complexes...

 

[dukalmighty]

Rarely see a legal sign down here in the "Valley",usually any court buildings,federal,or posted hospitals,any place I don't have to go that's posted don't get my business,If I know I can't carry inside I plan in advance to take my jeep instead of my bike

 

[jgp]

You were misinformed on that; I carry in Louisiana all the time and have done my home work on it. There are two types of liquor licenses in LA, one is a class A which is for a bar or bar area of a restaurant. The other is a class AR, which is for a restaurant that serves alcohol with it's meals.

It is illegal to carry in a bar that has only a class A license or in the bar area of a place that has a class AR license. It is perfectly legal to carry in the restaurant area of a place that has a class AR license.

The easiest way to tell if it's off limits, is if you can take an under aged person in the place for a meal, you are ok to carry there. For instance, you can not take a child in a bar to eat, but you can take them into a TGIF.

Of course, if the place is posted against firearms, you can not carry regardless of the type of liquor license it has.

On a side note, open carry is legal in Louisiana, however I don't, because I feel it gives the bangers an advantage if they know I'm carrying.

Thanks for the clarification, John. Handgunlaw.us does use the wording "class A license" but doesn't mention that there is another type. Then it goes on to try to clarify:

"Carry in Restaurants That Serve Alcohol
NO
Note: What is defined as carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol is a place like Friday’s or Red Lobster. This does not mean a bar or the bar area of a restaurant. Handgunlaw.us believes you should
never consume alcohol when carrying your firearm. In some states it is illegal to take even one drink
while carrying a firearm."

I guess that's what I get for only reading the "Cliff Notes" version. :smile:

 

[Paco]

CJ810, like JGP said we have it good around here.

Be sure to check out Texas 30.06 and make your contributions.

 

[KE5LDO]

The Attorney General of Texas, thatt time in 1995, (Dan Morales), before he was indicted, gave a letter ruling that if the business was to post that sign prohibiting firearms, they were assuming the risk of protecting all employees and customers in their establishment. If some used a gun in their establishment as a weapon,they were LIABLE for the safety of everyone. That is why most businesses do not have them. Those that do,have decided to ignore this caveat. He made the ruling in response the BOMA orginazation of businees Office Managemant organization. If they post, and if something happens,they can be sued out of existence. I do not think this has been repealed, to my knowledge; just a citizen, not a legal eagle.

 

[Grant48]

I've run across very few 30.06 signs. The 51% sign, though, yeah I've seen plenty of those... :danceban:

 

[bigmojo]

Very, very rarely in the DFW area. And when I do, they are not correct, and therefore ignored.

BTW: You used to be able to go to Grapevine Mills mall and get in via the Gamestop entrance. Place might not be there anymore, but back in the day they refused to post the sign, and was the only exterior door that did not have it. Everyone with a CHL new to use that door to get in and out of the mall. ;-)

 

[kj5634]

If the Ft.Worth Zoo property is owned by the city (tax payers) the 30.06 sign is most likely an illegal post.
PC 30.06 part 3e.

 

[mcp1810]

Katy Mills mall is posted, but only at the mall entrances. The anchor stores (at least Bass Pro) are not posted, nor are the entrances from those stores into the common area of the mall.

 

[KevinDooley]

If the Ft.Worth Zoo property is owned by the city (tax payers) the 30.06 sign is most likely an illegal post.
PC 30.06 part 3e.

Furthermore, is it enforcable/legal if it's on the grounds past the entrance? BTW, I've been there twice this summer and didn't see it... Where is it?

 

[varob]

The Attorney General of Texas, thatt time in 1995, (Dan Morales), before he was indicted, gave a letter ruling that if the business was to post that sign prohibiting firearms, they were assuming the risk of protecting all employees and customers in their establishment. If some used a gun in their establishment as a weapon,they were LIABLE for the safety of everyone. That is why most businesses do not have them. Those that do,have decided to ignore this caveat. He made the ruling in response the BOMA orginazation of businees Office Managemant organization. If they post, and if something happens,they can be sued out of existence. I do not think this has been repealed, to my knowledge; just a citizen, not a legal eagle.

Welcome to the forum

 

[tex45acp]

I have seen quite a few of both in my travels. What I see mostly is the "Unlicensed Carry of a Firearm....." in resturaunts, grocery & conveinence stores, etc.
If I see the 30.06 or 51% signs, I take my business elsewhere.

 

[rodc13]

I have seen quite a few of both in my travels. What I see mostly is the "Unlicensed Carry of a Firearm....." in resturaunts, grocery & conveinence stores, etc.
If I see the 30.06 or 51% signs, I take my business elsewhere.

In general, I don't patronize businesses with 30.06 signs. Sometimes, though, it's unavoidable -- some hospitals, for example.

I don't hold the 51% sign against the business. That's simply a legal requirement and the proprietor of the establishment doesn't have an option if they're making 51% or more of their revenue from sales of alcohol for consumption on the premises. I wish that weren't a requirement, but that's currently the hand we're dealt, until we can get it changed.

 

[Grant48]

In general, I don't patronize businesses with 30.06 signs. Sometimes, though, it's unavoidable -- some hospitals, for example.

I don't hold the 51% sign against the business. That's simply a legal requirement and the proprietor of the establishment doesn't have an option if they're making 51% or more of their revenue from sales of alcohol for consumption on the premises. I wish that weren't a requirement, but that's currently the hand we're dealt, until we can get it changed.

I agree. I dont like doing business with businesses that post optional 30.06 signage, however I have no problem with businesses with the 51% sign. They're just complying with the law, no option about it.

 

[gumaro]

I don't like to support businesses with 30.06 posted either, but there is one exception, Memorial Southeast Hospital. Because of my medical condition LOL.

 

[tex45acp]

Forgive my beligerance with my statements!!! I do understand those unavoidable exceptions like medical facilities. What I was referring to were standard retail establishments that posted either the 30.06 or 51%, to basically keep law abiding, CHL and handgun carrying patrons out of their business'. Sometimes the frustration overtakes rational typing!!!

tex

 

[KevinDooley]

I think most people were just trying to make sure you knew that 51% signs are mandated by law based on the relative volume of alcohol sold (and thus the type of liquor license) and are not the fault of the business owner, but rather the laws of the state of Texas...