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Text of Sebelius veto message on concealed guns bill
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TOPEKA, Kan. - The text of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' veto message on a bill allowing Kansans to carry concealed guns:

"I support the Second Amendment and the right of our citizens to keep and bear arms. It's an important part of our heritage and way of life in Kansas, and I've upheld that right as Gov.. All law-abiding Kansans have the right to own a weapon to provide for their protection and the protection of their families.

"Last year, I signed a bill to allow retired law enforcement officers, who have unique experience and special training, to carry concealed weapons. The new law also makes sure Kansas hunters and law-abiding gun owners don't violate the law by mistake when traveling. These changes, strongly supported by the National Rifle Association, were commonsense improvements to Kansas gun laws.

As violent crime rates in Kansas continue to drop below surrounding states with concealed carry laws, I continue to hear from the police chiefs and other law enforcement officials, members of the clergy, health care workers, and employers throughout our state that concealed weapons on the streets make our citizens less safe and secure.

"While every law-abiding Kansan has a right to keep and bear arms, hidden weapons make it harder for law enforcement to do its job, and they make Kansas' workplaces less safe. Legislators know concealed weapons are a safety threat, which is why they ban them in their own workplace - the Capitol. Because of opposition from law enforcement and business leaders, I cannot support allowing hidden weapons into businesses, restaurants, malls and any number of other public places.

Therefore, in order to keep hidden weapons off Kansas streets, pursuant to Article 2, Section 14 of the Constitution of the State of Kansas, I veto Senate Bill 418."
 

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hidden weapons make it harder for law enforcement to do its job, and they make Kansas' workplaces less safe.
Grrr - this sorta statement makes me see red!!!

Maybe remind her that hidden weapons in hands of bad guys, yes - they can be a problem (always) and one reason why a workplace could be unsafe.

A concealed weapon in the possession and control of good guys is no threat whatsoever. She suffers as do so many from flawed logic - or maybe no logic at all.
 

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Now the streets of Kansas will be red with the blood of innocent people. Don't you people know what happens when you let honest, law-abiding citizens carry firearms? It'll be total mahem. Just look what happened in the other 46 states that allow concealed weapons....Oh, wait! Crap!!
 

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the other 46 states that allow concealed weapons....
I applaud your optimism jar but we ain't quite made that figure yet - well not properly! :wink:

I'll stick with the 38 and hope the rest come into line - oh I guess with luck we can say 39 now.
 

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I'll stick with the 38 and hope the rest come into line - oh I guess with luck we can say 39 now.
Actually,I beleive that it is 46 states with some type of CCW and 38 states with "shall issue". The others are discretionary and 4 currrently have no provision.


If I remember correctly that is....:blink:
 

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True HG, on reflection - I just tend to think first of the ''shall issues''.

Trouble is one or two that ''might'' do so so rarely I hardly feel they deserve to be on the list! I am optimistically hoping for 50 ''shall issues'' - but may not be in my lifetime yet.

Oh to see such as MD, HI, WI and IL (oh and let's not forget DC) all come in to line and also see craziness like Chicago's and NYC's go away.
 

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Actually,I beleive that it is 46 states with some type of CCW and 38 states with "shall issue". The others are discretionary and 4 currrently have no provision.

What I don't understand is why if a CCW is a state issued license then why is it not available across the whole state under the same conditions in every county. For example:

In NY you can get a CCW very easily in some counties in the in the central portion of the state.

In other counties of the state a CCW can be gotten - but with considerable difficulty in getting approved.

Other counties, such as Nassau and Suffolk on Long Island, and NYC it would take an act of Congress AND an undeniable message from God and even then you will be denied 99.999999 percent of the time.

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CCW licenses should be like drivers licenses -- Proof of ID and no criminal record and you are approved.

Luke
 

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What I don't understand is why if a CCW is a state issued license then why is it not available across the whole state under the same conditions in every county. For example:

In NY you can get a CCW very easily in some counties in the in the central portion of the state.

In other counties of the state a CCW can be gotten - but with considerable difficulty in getting approved.

Other counties, such as Nassau and Suffolk on Long Island, and NYC it would take an act of Congress AND an undeniable message from God and even then you will be denied 99.999999 percent of the time.

uke
The "Shall Issue" states are pretty uniform and straight foward in their issuing of permits. If you meet certain criteria, you "shall" be issued the permit and most have time provisions for it to be issued, say, 60 -90 days.

The "discretionary" issue is subject to the whims and fancy of the issuing authorities. If you have a Sherrif that loves guns, you'll have no problem getting a permit. If you have an antigun police chief and you havent donated to the reelection campaign of the local mayor or govener you stand little chance of getting one.. and no reason is a good enough reason.

That is the difference. "Shall issue" leaves the politics and the azz-kissing out of the equation.

"Discretionary"in practice, is about as UnAmerican a proccess as you can get.

CCW licenses should be like drivers licenses -- Proof of ID and no criminal record and you are approved.
Works for me...:image035:
 

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They overrode his veto.
 

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I'm a member of the clergy

I am a member of the clergy. And I am not one of the "clergy" she talked to. I fully support the override.
Just remember the shooting in the church in Wisconsin last year when 8 people were killed? Had Wisconsin had a CCW law, many of those people might be alive today.
As far as I'm concerned, everyone in my church can carry if they want to. I'm in Michigan. You cannot carry in churches here unless you have permission from the "governing authority" in the church. And guess who the governing authority is? ME!:banana:
 

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Luckily what the KS governor thinks is now irrelevant.

Regarding the comments earlier in this thread on the numbers of states in the "may issue" category, as Chris wrote, there can be a big gap between law and practice. In Hawaii the gap is infinitely large.

For example regarding the text of the relevant statutes, California, New York, and Hawaii are "may issue" states. You can find people with California or New York permits, but you will never find a nonLEO in Hawaii with a permit.

Hawaii is logically grouped with the other "no way" states: IL, WI, NE (for now), and KS (until 2007 Jan 1).

Hawaii has some ridiculous firearm laws. You must get a permit from the police before you even buy a pistol, and you are allowed to transport the pistol one time only, straight home from the gun store. It can only be inside the house. I know a man who moved from California to Hawaii already owning several pistols. When he tried to get permits from the police his pistols were confiscated because he owned them prior to getting the permit.
 

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Anubis....Puerto Rico has similar idiotic laws....examples: you need a permit to be able to reload ammo, you need to become a gun club member before applying for a target permit, you also need a "rider" to your permit before taking posession of your gun...ad nauseum.

Sebelius....shame on you.
 

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Hopefully, the good folks in Kansas will remember to veto her re-election at ballot box when the opportunity next presents itself.

Matt
 

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Hopefully, the good folks in Kansas will remember to veto her re-election at ballot box when the opportunity next presents itself.

Matt
10-4!
 
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