Bond , James Bond
Sean Connery or Roger Moore. Everyone else :hand1:
The thread is about the .380 ACP. What's with all the James Bond references??? Bond's PPK was a .32, with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window! :hand5:
It hasn't gotten any less true over time.The .380 is obviously not the 'top of the heap' for a defensive handgun, but all the talk about it being "inadequate" or "insufficient" for SD are downright laughable.
The .380 is ballistically equal or superior to the sidearms carried by the vast majority of police and military in most of the world for the better part of a century. It's as powerful as the .36 Colt Navy favored by Bill Hickok, Doc Holliday, Robert E. Lee, and the Texas Rangers, to name a few, and with today's ammo, the .380 is inarguably superior. It's basically identical to the 9mm Makarov carried by untold hundreds of thousands of Comm-block troops and police. It compares favorably to the .38 S&W and its variants that were standard issue by the British Empire for half a century. European police & military relied almost exclusively upon the .380 and it's 7.65mm little brother for decades. There have been literally tens of millions of them made.
Modern .380 ammo can meet the FBI standard for penetration & expansion, as if that matters for SD.
Is it the 'optimal' SD round? Of course not, unless circumstances dictate the need for a tiny, very concealable pistol. The new breed of subcompact 9mm's have definitely changed the landscape for CC, so the .380 has lost a lot of its advantage in that respect. I wouldn't choose a .380 as a service sidearm, either, if I had the luxury (or necessity) of OC. That would be a 9mm, or more likely a .40 or a .45.
The .380 definitely has its place, though, and to suggest that it will just piss someone off shows that some people don't really understand or appreciate just how much damage the round can do. If I were forced to defend myself with 13+1 .380's from my M84, I would not likely be "undergunned". The most likely SD scenario for most of us involves something like a mugger in the Walmart parking lot, and 5 or 6 rounds of .380 will resolve that situation just about as well as any other caliber will.
Besides, there have been a lot of really cool guns made in .380!
The article seems pretty close to my opinion too.What are your opinions on the .380 as your only round for self defense?
Meaning all by itself....Not as a back up to a larger caliber.
Rather than typing this all out i have found a article that is close to my feelings on it.
Not spot on but generally close....What says you?
C’mon, sir, no need to get snarky.
I used to carry one or two myself...But they keep figuring out how to make the 9's not much bigger.The article seems pretty close to my opinion too.
Most 380 ACP HP loads seem inconsistent in performance. When they expand they penetrate on the shallow end, quite possibly not deep enough for odd angle shots. FMJ loads penetrate sufficiently but round nose don’t crush tissue well, and flat points which do may not function well.
Thus I’ve gone to the Xtreme Defender bullets in Underwood loads to get what I think is the best blend of penetration and tissue crushing available in the round presently.
Reliability of penetration and tissue damage for quick incapacitation seem better for 9mm and up, but there are times a small 380 is the only viable carry option. For those times I take my BG380. Otherwise I generally carry 9mm or bigger.
C’mon, sir, no need to get snarky.
Like you, I love cast bullets.I carry a Pico when I have to not because I want to. My particular NPE is not a place to get "made". I carry heavy hardcast flatnosed just like I do in my 642 and my GP100 which is my woods gun. Obviously I have little faith in expansion in the lower calibers and the ones that make that FBI test just barely do so which doesn't give me the warm fuzzies. The 357 is for maximum Grizzly bear penetration. I don't worry about overpenetration as much as under penetration from the 380 and the snub 38.
When the barrel gets to 4" I use a semi wadcutter hollow core instead in 38 special. The other reason for flatnosed lead is it stays on the straightest track after it hits something vs JHP so less deflection from bone and other barriers.
That's the main point....it's the indian, not the arrow.