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The Army has just down-selected designs from General Dynamics, Textron and Sig for their new NGSW (Next Generation Squad Weapon), which will have both carbine and belt-fed versions and replace both the M249 and the M4. It will be called the M5 and it will be in 6.8mm. The three finalists are shown below, GD, Textron and Sig.
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https://taskandpurpose.com/army-next-generation-squad-weapon-photos
 

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Down-selected?
 

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Too bad I can't buy one.
 

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Good grief.

That Textron offering looks like it’s pregnant with a PDW...

My money is on Sig, as well...the GD rifle looks solid, but Big Green isn’t gonna go with a Bullpup.
 

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The middle one looks like it has a 40mm launcher that would fire straight into the bipod.
 
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Down-selected?
It is a phase of the DoD procurement process. First, an RFP (request for proposal) is issued that outlines the whole procurement process and calendar, the specs, who can submit, what needs to be included in the proposal, etc. There may be some intermediate steps, like bidder's conferences, etc., but at some point, DoD will look at all the proposals and "down-select" a number of proposals, often three, to go through a final selection process. In this case, I imagine the three companies will have to submit a number of actual weapons for testing. Then the final selection is made.
 

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OK, thanks. I hadn't heard that one but when it comes to "governmentese" you just never know.
 

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Please do not select a bullpup design. They do not lend themselves to quick reloads and under stress in combat that's the last thing one wants...
 

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Unless they’ll have lefty versions, the first one won’t work. Brass will be right in the face of southpaws in that bull pup design. I don’t see the one size fits all army going this route.
 

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So this will not be the 6.8 SPC then? What is different about this new 6.8?


Looking at all three rifles again, looks to me like Sig would win. It is the only normal looking one. I like how GD is saving taxpayer money with the oil filter suppressor but do not see a bullpup winning. The one in the middle just seems so bulky and that leaves the Sig. Nothing special jumps out at me for the Sig, but it looks like a normal rifle that would be handy.
 

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Thanks for posting this JMF, I always find this stuff stimulating. I don't think the Army will go with the bullpup 40 watt phased plasma rifle at top of page.

All three of those designs are almost certainly piston/pushrod, and not direct gas impingement. Bullets in the 6.5 to 7mm range offer some of the highest BCs and Sectional Densities, so the 6.8mm makes sense. Will they name it the 6.8 Killmoor?

ETA Update: It looks like this linked article is just reporting what happened at the end of August as reported by SSD and TFB- nothing new has actually been announced.
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/08/30/us-army-selects-three-companies-to-vie-for-next-generation-squad-weapons-to-replace-m249-and-m4/
 

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Ugly little spud.

Bet it's gonna be a good shooter, though. That 6.8 round is interesting and no doubt works better than the 5.56 downrange.
 

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So this will not be the 6.8 SPC then? What is different about this new 6.8?
I believe it will have polymer-cased rounds. That will be the end of once-fired Lake City brass for sale.
 
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I have no idea how good it is, but that top one looks like it could be used in a pinch as a toilet plunger! :embarassed:
 

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Thanks for posting this JMF, I always find this stuff stimulating. I don't think the Army will go with the bullpup 40 watt phased plasma rifle at top of page.

All three of those designs are almost certainly piston/pushrod, and not direct gas impingement. Bullets in the 6.5 to 7mm range offer some of the highest BCs and Sectional Densities, so the 6.8mm makes sense. Will they name it the 6.8 Killmoor?

ETA Update: It looks like this linked article is just reporting what happened at the end of August as reported by SSD and TFB- nothing new has actually been announced.
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/08/30/us-army-selects-three-companies-to-vie-for-next-generation-squad-weapons-to-replace-m249-and-m4/
I think the update of the article I linked was it had pictures of both variants of all three offerings, which I hadn't seen before, certainly not on this forum.
 

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Sig will win based on visual cues alone- their entry has "the look". This is similar to the F35 competition, where the Lockheed entry looked like a proper modern fighter and the Boeing entry looked like a pregnant guppy.
 
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