Defensive Carry banner

1 - 20 of 36 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,011 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Sometimes, when I'm out with the wife we might go to a restaurant and have a seat. I'll know instantly when i sit if I'm going to enjoy a worry free meal. If the SEAT has vertical slats placed in such a way so as to allow my gun to PRINT or shift...it's not going to allow me to relax. Or if there is an arm on the chair that might hang up my cover garment accidentally exposing the gun (very embarrassing -- like having the old zipper down, but worse:theyareontome: ) or it hits the arm with a loud CLUNK. I usually specifythat we have a booth for this reason and it gives my back more support. It's small stuff here, but important.

I was sitting on a bench seat on the end in a great BBQ place last year. A bunch of little kids are running all over the joint, screaming and playing....hey kids are kids. One little tyke takes the corner waaaay too tight and he starts to lose traction. His arms whips out instintively to catch himself and lands, right on the butt of my USP!:aargh4: HOLY MOLY! Kid's too young to know right? He just rights himself, yells Sorry Mister! and speeds away. Me? I'm sweating in the cold room. I don't sit on the end of a bench anymore.

It's the little things in life that make the big things seem unimportant sometimes.:stups: Sometimes the bigger decision is what gun, what holster, spare mag on the belt on in a pocket...etc.

This also is not a question of TACTICS or of confronting any sort of threat. But, s'pose I'd HAD to suddenly draw while seated and my gun got hung up on the seat itself?

I had this thought (leading to this thread) when I read the story on another thread of the newbie to the forum who'd seen a bicyclist wearing a full helmet and sunglasses come into the restaurant where he was seated, still wearing the concealing headgear. He carefully watched the guys hands all the while ensuring his draw with a Beretta M92 was going to be clear if needed. It was okay (thank goodness) and it displayed good tactical foresight and a superb example of condition yellow mindset. But it got me to thinking.

So what sorts of the details of carrying a gun in public (concealed) irritate y'all? I'm speaking here of things passive or in the background. Part of the landscape, that make you nervous or won't allow you to fully relax in their presence. OR maybe I'm just being neurotic.:9:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,192 Posts
I think I'm pretty much the same. I prefer booths over tables just because they give you a little more concealment. I prefer, if possible, to sit with my "gun side" on the inside (not facing the aisle or whatever) just so I could be a little more covert if I was drawing in anticipation of a "situation."

I've also gotten to the point where I'll go to a different restaurant if I can't find a seat that either puts my back to a wall or allows me to see the door (or both). I absolutely refuse to sit at "lunch counters" where people can walk up behind me.

Another thing that bugs me is standing in line at the grocery store or wherever. Most people in general wouldn't get that close to someone they didn't know, but in the checkout lines they'll breathe right down your friggin neck. I usually end up standing so that I face sideways so I can at least see the people behind me and keep them from being too close to my gun side.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
25,558 Posts
kenpotex said:
in the checkout lines they'll breathe right down your friggin neck. I usually end up standing so that I face sideways so I can at least see the people behind me and keep them from being too close to my gun side.
Here is what I do. I get in the checkout line ahead of my cart, that lets me control the space between me and the person ahead of me. And the cart keeps the people behind me from "breathing down my neck". It's not much, but it does provide a little buffer.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,011 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
Another reason I hate large CROWDS, anywhere. Could be at an outlet store like SAM'S CLUB or the mall the day after Thanksgiving. Crowds display classic sheep mentality. Nobody knows anybody but because they're all packed in together, they feel safer. But when the space is so close that elbows rub constantly and aI have to bull a breathing space for my wife, I get skittish. Mostly because 1 out of say 7 folks will bump up against my holstered and concealed 45. If they do it sharply enough, it causes them some pain. They yelp OUCH!, apologize and then give me a loooong sideways look. Sometimes you're oozing along in a line to get to the main entrance of a store and you'll pass eyeball to eyeball range to a serious predator who himself may be "hunting" but finds that difficult inside the mob. Sometimes the wolf and the sheepdog get just THAT close to each other and for an instant the growls rise and then the contact is broken, without bloodshed. Still when it happens it makes me hyper-aware. I'm always afraid one will "make" me before I detect him and try a gun grab. OTOH, not too many of them are quite that stupid....
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
23,979 Posts
Restaurants - back to wall, gunside to inside of booth. :yup:

Driving - Agh! :frown: Cross carry G17 with a Huntington Wedge made by Jerry Evans, or in the center console covered by a small towel.

Gym - AAAAggghhhhh! :sterk: I have a gym bag with a zippered flap on the end with a pocket perfect for my Skyy in a pocket holster, my wallet and cell phone. I hate it "off" body, but, it's a small gym, and I place the bag by the end of the treadmills my wife and I are on. I can watch the bag very closely. It positioned at the base of a stairmaster, one of the heinous contraptions invented by the spawn of satan that no one uses. I'm OK with that unless a lot of kids are at the gym (e.g. spring break) and then I just go Con Orange all the time. They play on the stairmaster. :argue: :spankme: No fun. Generally, with only a few regulars there with my wife and I it's pretty relaxing nonetheless, if relaxing is the proper word for 4 miles on a treadmill in an hour at a 10% incline. :elefant:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,425 Posts
Booths are definitely preferable in restaurants. My wife also lets me have “the gunfighter’s seat” (back to the wall, able to survey the premises). What's funny is when we go out to eat with my parents...seeing my dad and me fight over the seat.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,011 Posts
Discussion Starter #9
Body By BOWFLEX

Rock and Glock[B said:
Gym[/B] - AAAAggghhhhh! :sterk: I have a gym bag with a zippered flap on the end with a pocket perfect for my Skyy in a pocket holster, my wallet and cell phone. I hate it "off" body, but, it's a small gym, and I place the bag by the end of the treadmills my wife and I are on. I can watch the bag very closely.
Our former Chief of Police went to a gym and left his Glock M23 in a locker. While getting dressed after the workout, he went to holster the Glock and capped off TWO rounds right into the locker. The locker died instantly. The chief resigned in a few months on a vote of no-confidence. Thankfully in MY case it's BODY BY BOWFLEX (or trying to :dead: ) or maybe this device: http://www.powerplateusa.com THIS little gizmo has the potential to take the GRUNT :aargh4: out of workout! I don't GO to gyms in this area, period.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
19,008 Posts
Back to the wall, in a booth preferably. I scan the crowd usually without thinking of it. Alot of the time up here it is cold, so I can remove my coat a let it bunch up against the holster in a booth. as long as I don't get the buffet(don't like to eat all that much anyway) I am good.
Also work out at home w/ free weights and a bike, so no gym for me either.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,011 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
I'm SO misunderstood!

rocky said:
I scan the crowd usually without thinking of it.
I do the same thing! Why oh WHY am I accused of being a blatant girl watcher by my daughter:spankme: when she's home on a vacation and has lunch with us..sometimes even my wife digs a subtle elbow into my ribs. :spankme: :twak: I'm INNOCENT! I'm scanning the crowds for potential BG's! I can't help it if summertime in Miami FL makes women shed their clothes! And I'm not looking at THEM anyway! I'm so misunderstood!:9: :theyareontome: :rant:
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
25,558 Posts
ExSoldier762 said:
Another reason I hate large CROWDS, anywhere. <SNIP> or the mall the day after Thanksgiving.
:smile: I don't go near a mall between the week before Thanksgiving and the week after New Years. During that period if I can't get it off the internet...... it doesn't get got!! :image035:
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
25,483 Posts
Another crowd hater here!! I hate having my safe zone squeezed in to near nothing!

Restaurant - I seem to be in good company (predictably) - booth from choice, gun side inside and not hampered by any obstruction. Wife pretty much knows I will choose our place and she will sit opposite usually - with me facing the main area. Still wish she would carry all time - working on it!

Best of all perhaps is when eating out with a buddy who also carries, my son for instance. Then even a more central table is fine because we each have 180º equally :smilez:

One slight downside to a booth is if the seat back is heavily padded and high - it makes for somewhat of an elbow obstruction should a draw be needed. I think best I have found could be what we have in a local KFC - high table, high chair with low back - and my ''usual'' one is by a window and close to a corner - gives full view of probably 95% and more of all going on.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,087 Posts
ExSoldier762 said:
Another reason I hate large CROWDS, anywhere.

+15 to this. I hate crowds. Even at my best friend's wedding (large Irish Catholic Family) I had to leave the reception because there were just too many people around for me to properly keep tabs on them (feel comfortable). I can't handle it at all. If there's a large group of people, it's a safe bet to say I'm not in that crowd.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
23,979 Posts
ExSoldier762 said:
I do the same thing! Why oh WHY am I accused of being a blatant girl watcher by my daughter:spankme: when she's home on a vacation and has lunch with us..sometimes even my wife digs a subtle elbow into my ribs. :spankme: :twak: I'm INNOCENT! I'm scanning the crowds for potential BG's! I can't help it if summertime in Miami FL makes women shed their clothes! And I'm not looking at THEM anyway! I'm so misunderstood!:9: :theyareontome: :rant:
Yea! Same here! LOL!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
822 Posts
Another crowd disliker here. If I walk into a mall (which I haven't been in over a year) or a store that is crowded, I turn around and walk back out.

During the holidays, I don't go anywhere. People will cram themselves elbow to elbow just to get the blue light special and have no clue what is going on around them.

That's what I like about super stores (not just wally world) where you can go shopping at 4:30 in the morning so you don't have people breathing down your neck.

Restuarants are kinda hard because most of the booths that allow you to have back to the wall and to see the door put my right hand side to the main floor area so I can't have it close to wall unless I switch it to the left hand side.

Wayne
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
749 Posts
I am actually a bit opposite. I sit with my gunside to the aisle, and on the outside of the booth...reason? I want to be between any potential threat and my family if I have to draw, so I sit where I can get out of the bench, draw and move towards the target.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,068 Posts
What I find irritating...

Unexpected "No Guns" signs, so I have to decide whether to disarm or break the law in order to finish an errand.

That most methods of concealment that leave the weapon accessible look sloppy. I wish there were a way to carry the pistol of my choice IWB without having to wear layers or clothes that don't fit, or shirttails out, or blazers, or vests. The alternatives make drawing awkward or difficult.

I'm tall. People are always asking me to reach things up high. I wish I could find a jacket that was long enough for me to reach all the way up without exposing my holster, but not so long that it looks like a car coat. I get really tired of holding my jacket down with one hand while I reach with the other.

I'm tall. I wish I could just bend over to pick something up without having to worry about printing. Sometimes, kneeling isn't convenient. or for my size, draws unwelcome attention.

Hollow plastic benches or seats, like at some fast food joints or public places, that really amplify the sound of your pistol tapping against the plastic.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
58 Posts
Another Crowd hater here to. its one of the reasons I got out of Loss Prevention for a local retailer. Its amazing what people do during the holidays. Another reason I left was the no firearm on premises (sp?), broke that one regularly with mine in my truck. yes it was stated to not have one in the parking lot also. But what they did not know, did not hurt me.

I to sit with my back to a wall or facing the front door of the restraunt. My wife knows this and its all good. whats funny is when me step father and I go eat together we almost fight over the same chair. But its all good there to cause we can watch each others back.
 
1 - 20 of 36 Posts
Top