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I just have to write this. A lot of men and women risked their lives killing one of these killers and capturing the other one.

One of the officers died. His name was Sean Collier. Google him. He was 26 years old. From what I read he was not a brown shirt bent on extinguishing your constitutional rights.

Some people here are railing about tyranny, false flags, and this being a test case for a government take over.

Office Collier, and all the others involved, deserve better.
 

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All tin foil hat issues aside the people of Mass deserve better. I feel for the officer who lost his life, but with the all out invasion by police and military the folks were subjected to unconstitutional searches. I understand your point, but there is more to this.....
 

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All tin foil hat issues aside the people of Mass deserve better. I feel for the officer who lost his life, but with the all out invasion by police and military the folks were subjected to unconstitutional searches. I understand your point, but there is more to this.....
Better like how?... what would you have had the police do?
 

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I wrote a heart-felt letter of thanks to the Mayor, Police, Sheriffs and other first-responders in the city of Boston with appreciation for the tough job they had to perform, and for sacrificing their time and efforts to help ensure these animals were hunted down.

IMO, the time for jumping on the huge response and presence that was implemented to collar the people responsible can wait a bit, until the information can be assimilated. Yes, I believe there were likely many instances of heavy-handedness. And, yes, there were likely some instances of going over the Constitutional line. But there will be plenty of time for the what-ifs and policy changes, in the coming weeks. Right now, we've got dead bodies, the injured, police down, and people who were involved near the bombing and manhunt that need our support and assistance, to the degree we can provide it.

We'll get there, and we'll hopefully identify and correct any over-board procedures that were commanded and allowed to be done. But hopefully it'll be a measured response that takes into account the options available, the degree to which citizens could be part of (or hinder) such efforts, the degree to which preparations allowed for the steps to be taken, etc.

Myself, I'm not LE or involved with emergency/manhunt action designs or policy designs, so (for me at least) there's much to take in and evaluate before I'm prepared to jump heavily on folks for what I don't have an effective enough grasp of yet. But that's just me.
 

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Um...doesn't this also citizen deserve better than what this officer is doing? Not trying to bash individual police officers trying to do a dangerous job but there are two sides to every coin.
Without knowing whether that guy had a separate set of field glasses, using his scope was probably simplest and most effective.

In a lock-down type situation with an active manhunt going on, anyone clearly holding some sort of "thing" in the hands and directing attention out a window toward the police is probably going to be checked out to ensure the "window" person isn't about to take shots. Little different than, say, occurs in Washington DC around the WH and Senate buildings, particularly when stuff's going on.

Am not condoning any over-board behavior that clearly violates Constitutional and LE limitations, but we've got to be careful about having the right information and interpreting things correctly. We'll get to the point of being able to evaluate all these reports of heavy-handedness, and I'm sure it'll impact some of the preparations and procedures for such actions. But right now, the dust is still settling
 

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Better like how?... what would you have had the police do?
Stick to the OATH they took. Thats all. Nothing more...I do not dislike police. I have some real good friends that are police. I do understand what happened....

PEF They can seek redress re searches. That particular concern is valid. It's the hyperbole and tin foil hat stuff that I find disappointing.
The rest like you describe is indeed crap....
 

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Please respond to my thread http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum...-you-have-done-if-you-were-charge-boston.html and let us know what should have been the appropriate response.
I won't pretend to know all the answers or what the best way to handle this situation is so I won't bother to reply to your other post.

What I will do is point out that it is hypocritical for people on a forum who spend so much time railing against the infringement of one right simply turn a blind eye to the infringement of another. To be clear...I myself never claimed false flags or flat out tyranny. I simply stated that actions like this set dangerous precedents that could lead to further infringements to all of our rights.

The attitude that the police "had to do what they had to do" in order to apprehend this terrorist for the sake of public safety is little different than the president calling for strict new gun control measures "to protect the children".

The beautiful thing is that I am free to disagree with you...at least for now.
 

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Please remember that this Motor vehicle Vehicle Car Mode of transport Family car was done to prevent this
from happening again.

I for one am going to thank our LEO's for their hard work.
 
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Ya know.... I understand the differing opinions but the cops and Govt did what they had too in a time of crisis. Everyone can criticize them for being heavy handed , illegal searches etc.... try and see from the point of view of the govt and LEO's. There was a homicidal terrorist with explosives who had already killed and injured loose on the streets..... if you are not willing to stand behind them, feel free to stand in front of them.
 

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Ya know.... I understand the differing opinions but the cops and Govt did what they had too in a time of crisis. Everyone can criticize them for being heavy handed , illegal searches etc.... try and see from the point of view of the govt and LEO's. There was a homicidal terrorist with explosives who had already killed and injured loose on the streets..... if you are not willing to stand behind them, feel free to stand in front of them.

Nice rhetoric. I was under the assumption we were free to point out things we disagreed with in this country but I guess i was wrong. I'm done with this conversation.
 

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Stick to the OATH they took.
The Oath that they took was to protect the people from things like this....
... and that is exactly what they were doing.
 
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Without knowing whether that guy had a separate set of field glasses, using his scope was probably simplest and most effective.

In a lock-down type situation with an active manhunt going on, anyone clearly holding some sort of "thing" in the hands and directing attention out a window toward the police is probably going to be checked out to ensure the "window" person isn't about to take shots. Little different than, say, occurs in Washington DC around the WH and Senate buildings, particularly when stuff's going on.

Am not condoning any over-board behavior that clearly violates Constitutional and LE limitations, but we've got to be careful about having the right information and interpreting things correctly. We'll get to the point of being able to evaluate all these reports of heavy-handedness, and I'm sure it'll impact some of the preparations and procedures for such actions. But right now, the dust is still settling
Good Post. Thank you.
 

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Let's see. We have one person remaining alive who might be able to tell us what the reason was, who, if anyone else, was behind it to prevent possible future violence.

We have dogs and teargas and flash-bangs and nets and can cordon off areas and we locate someone in a boat who MIGHT be the one, remaining clue in the case. Whadda ya say we shoot 200 rounds into the boat, and in the process shoot into nearby homes and even shoot out someone's TV and cause a father to shield his kids in a bathtub.

Hmm. Is that wise, prudent, patient or even legal? "HE'S A SUSPECT SHOOT HIM!". Doesn't sound particularly professional.

For those who are using EMOTIONAL arguments 'oh terrorists on the loose, yikes, look out, shoot everyone so no cop gets killed', you sound just like the emotional arguments that antis use.

I expect the cops to be professional, patient and to abide by the constitution. The guy dies and what do we have now? A bunch of trigger-happy cops have made any terrorist cell behind this VERY HAPPY - they'll never be implicated.
 

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The Oath that they took was to protect the people from things like this.... and that is exactly what they were doing.
To uphold and defend the constitution. The officers didnt protect the innocents, if they were able to, then they would not have died. They cleaned the mess and took care of the bad guys. Protect and serve is a fallacy. They cannot protect the individual....If they could I would not need a gun...
 

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I suppose some simply do not understand the term "exigent circumstances". If you do not believe that this incident fit that criteria then there really is no since arguing the point, some people will always cry "foul". I hope your town is never "bombed" with suspects running through your neighborhoods with nothing to lose and who are willing to kill as many innocents as possible just to make a statement.
 

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To uphold and defend the constitution. The officers didnt protect the innocents, if they were able to, then they would not have died. They cleaned the mess and took care of the bad guys.
LEO take an oath to protect the people. And like you said, They did this by taking care of (killing one and capturing one to prevent more death) the bad guys and cleaning the mess.
 
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