the piece keeper

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snowdoctor

Discussion Starter · Mar 7, 2006

Does anyone use one of these?

www.thepiecekeeper.com

I don't. but I think it is agreat idea. I would like to purchase if I could find the right spot on the house for it. I met this guy at a local gun show, and seen him on our states public station on "michigan out of doors". It seems as though it is a great product, and I like to buy from"local" small businesses when I can. thought I would pass on the info to all of you, in case you are looking for a way to keep a defensive pistol loaded in the house and have young children there at the same time.

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QKShooter

· #2 · Mar 7, 2006

That Looks REALLY GOOD ~ Nice Find snowdoctor!

If...It was carefully and properly mounted by homeowner into the wall stud.

The video testing was particularly interesting especially where they offered $100.00 cash to any gun club member that could beat it off the wall with heavy hammer blows.
I could tell by looking at the vids a few times that those dudes were genuinely trying VERY HARD to beat that damn thing off the wall.

If I had children and no house alarm system...I would absolutely buy one or two.

Very Impressive.

sojourner

· #3 · Mar 7, 2006

Not for me

Looking at the page, nothing would keep anyone at any time from releasing the magazine and removing magazine from the gun (especially a walther or H&K w/ the triggerguard mag releases). Then I will have a weapon w/ 0 or 1 projectiles. Or how about someone inserting something into the barrel of the gun through the muzzle. Or ripping the base plate of the magazine? or etc. ...

It may prevent theft, but cannot protect from destruction. And I sure don't want it destroyed when I have an Aw Heck moment and am running to unlock it.

QKShooter

· #4 · Mar 7, 2006

sojourner What you are saying does not make logical sense to me. Please elaborate.
An intruder is already in your home in the process of trying to get your gun off the wall & you're going run over and unlock it.:smile:

There is a solid brass rod that is inserted into the muzzle of the firearm so nobody can insert anything into the muzzle.

If there is ALREADY an intruder in your home then your firearm needs to be inaccessible to that intruder.

So what are you going to do /...an intruder is in your home trying to pry & beat your firearm off the wall & you're going to run over to him & tell him to leave your gun alone because you paid a lot of money for it?

The idea of this device is in giving you the ability to store a truly childproof firearm...that is accessible to you for your in home defense but, next to impossible to be used against you.

Ideally, everybody should own a 1,00 Lb. Gun Safe but, it IS a fact that for many people (especially those folks renting an apartment) ~ buying a Gun Safe is just not a realistic or practical option. They do need a way to childproof a firearm & still keep it fairly accessible. They also need a way to prevent it from getting easily stolen. Insurance will cover damage to the firearm & you can always buy a replacement firearm.
I am one of those lucky folks that owns 2 gun safes.
Just speaking for myself personally...I can state for an absolute fact that if "push came to shove" ~ I would rather have every single one of my guns destroyed rather than have them in "criminal hands" and out killing innocent victims. That is what I have insurance for.

If the robber/burglar needs to destroy the firearm (or render it unusable) in trying to gain unlawful access to it...then that means that YOU are not going to get shot with it when you walk in your front door.

ALSO: if the firearm is damaged beyond repair in an attempt to steal it then that is one less firearm that is not going to make it out into the street as an illegal stolen firearm.

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cmidkiff

· #5 · Mar 7, 2006

Looks to me as if it depends on the trigger gaurd to secure the weapon.

Just don't try to lock up your makarov

sojourner

· #6 · Mar 7, 2006

QKShooter said:
sojourner What you are saying does not make logical sense to me. Please elaborate.
An intruder is already in your home in the process of trying to get your gun off the wall & you're going run over and unlock it.

There is a solid brass rod that is inserted into the muzzle of the firearm so nobody can insert anything into the muzzle.

If there is ALREADY an intruder in your home then your firearm needs to be inaccessible to that intruder.

So what are you going to do???...an intruder is in your home trying to pry & beat your firearm off the wall & you're going to run over to him & tell him to leave your gun alone because you paid a lot of money for it?:blink:

The idea of this device is in giving you the ability to store a truly childproof firearm...that is accessible to you for your in home defense but, next to impossible to be used against you.

It IS a fact that for many people (especially those folks renting an apartment) ~ buying a Gun Safe is just not a realistic or practical option.

If the robber/burglar needs to destroy the firearm (or render it unusable) in trying to gain unlawful access to it...then that means that YOU are not going to get shot with it when you walk in your front door.

ALSO: if the firearm is damaged beyond repair in an attempt to steal it then that is one less firearm that is not going to make it out into the street as an illegal stolen firearm.

I didn't see about the brass rod, I missed that one. Even with that, my opinion does not change.

I see something happening as such. I put my gun in the piecekeeper as a childproof way to secure my weapon and still access it for home defense. Mag full, one in the chamber (or none in the chamber, doesn't matter). I wear the key in a necklace around my neck when going to bed.

Well day X I lock it.

Day X + 10 a visitor plays a trick and "hides" the magazine or removes the magazine and empties the bullets or puts bullets in backward or puts snap caps in.
OR
Day X + 10 an anti-inlaw sees this when visiting my wife. The inlaw decides it is too dangerous to even see a gun and removes the magazine and takes it w/ him/her.
OR Day X + 10 a child removes the magazine to play w/ it and knocks out the base plate. Says nothing cause is scared of getting in trouble.

Night X + 10 + 2 Something goes bump in the night. I unlock what I assume to be a functioning firearm and I do not have a functioning firearm or a firearm w/out ammo or without a properly functioning magazine.

Encasing the whole firearm protects it from being destroyed/tampered in the interim from the time it is secured to the time it is needed. If it is not totally encased, as w/ the piecekeeper, it is not protected from tampering.

Also, someone could get gunvault for use in an apartment and would not have to drill into a stud in somebody elses place that they are renting from.

I guess I was not clear on my original post. I hope I cleared up my thoughts on this matter.

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DirksterG30

· #7 · Mar 7, 2006

The realtree camo version puzzles me :hmmmm:- I suppose if you live in the outdoors?

snowdoctor

Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 7, 2006

sojourner.
I too am lost to both of your posts. Firearms are still your responsibility. so to have a family member or child tamper with it, and you not notice, is not piecekeepers fault. That has to do with firearm education of your family. A "visitor" plays a trick? I think you should limit "visitors" of this nature, especially in the areas your store your home defense firearm. This is primarily designed to be implemented in your bedroom, or closet in your bedroom etc. not on the living room wall.-but I guess it could be.
Well the inlaw thing is a whole nother issue...
you know on second thought......after reading your post again....maybe piecekeeper isn't right for you. sorry for the beginning of this post.

hassiman

· #9 · Mar 7, 2006

PieceKeeper

Seems kind of stupid to me. It's ugly and it sticks out. :haha: A wall safe with touchpad behind a picture would probably be as quick to access and safer with kids around.

QKShooter

· #10 · Mar 7, 2006

Actually,

The whole purpose of having this open forum is that it provides an area where many different people with many different thoughts and ideas can chime in and voice an opinion on any subject or product or IDEA that is Self Defense ~ Firearm ~ or Carry related.

The reason that there are so many different styles of holsters & configurations of firearms & folding knives & flashlights is that not everything works for every individual.

So...your opinion is appreciated & others can read that opinion & evaluate it it along with other posted opinions ~ I'm SURE ~ Some of those evaluations will be "Pro & some others will be "Con" and at least interested forum members will be able to make a more educated decision as to if they should buy...or not.

BTW: Me personally...I would rather that ANY forum member actively participate in the forum & DISAGREE with me...than remain silent and never say anything about everything.

You opinion was presented in a Flawlessly Civil & polite manner (as I hope mine was) and that is what ConcealedCarry.com is all about.:biggrin2:
I have absolutely no problem at all with your opinion or with the fact that you've decided to share it with me and others. :usflag:

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QKShooter

· #11 · Mar 7, 2006

Now I DO absolutely AGREE with Dirkster

The CAMOUFLAGE version Totally Stumps me. :rofl:

Maybe that is the model that gets installed in a Tree House. :biggrin2:

sojourner

· #12 · Mar 8, 2006

I appreciate the civil and polite manner of discourse here on the forum. Deciding pro/con on the piecekeeper is an individual choice. My attempt was to bring up a point (that an anal retentive worrying type like me) thinks/worries about. If I was able to communicate my point then I was successful. People could take my communications and agree/disagree, but they will have heard my point and consider it in their decision. And they will make their decision.

Kindest regards.

snowdoctor

Discussion Starter · #13 · Mar 8, 2006

if my last message came off pointed, I apologize, it was not meant to offend. some people like things others don't. some will like the piece keeper, other won't. I think/hope it will save many children's life

QKShooter

· #14 · Mar 8, 2006

I am probably not the best person to evaluate this & I sure do admit that.
I have no children & I have a fantastic home alarm system & I have a very secure safe system to store all but my daily carry firearm & one SHTF 12 ga. riot shotgun.

I actually think the very best way to secure a home defense handgun (at the ready) is in one of the Fingerprint Identification Gun Vaults that are bolted down internally to a floor joist.
They are very FAST to get into...with no key or specific combination of numbers to fiddle with but, they are still priced out of reach to many people.
Just to offer up some additional information.

Bud White

· #15 · Mar 8, 2006

Mossburg has something like this for there shotguns lot of people said they liked them you could put shot gun behind the curtain and lock it up in anyroom and it couldn't be seen.. Course ya got kids its a different deal

snowdoctor

Discussion Starter · #16 · Mar 8, 2006

QK you are certainly correct on two accounts. safest, and monetarily out of the reach of most. That is one reason why I brought up the piece keeper in the first place, an effective, inexpensive way to keep an loaded firearm in the house to protect the family, without endangering the family.
Maybe this wasn't the right forum, as most here are already safe with there firearms, but I know MANY who are not, and read the paper, and see on TV many more that are not. the libs love those people.
ugly or not, it is a functional, safe option for someone that can't afford a safe, doesn't have the room for one, or is seeking a way to make there home defense firearm accessible and safe.

QKShooter

· #17 · Mar 8, 2006

I'm Glad That You Found It & Posted It

It certainly has some good merit.
Exactly HOW VALUABLE it will be to each individual forum member will be for each member to finally decide.

Certainly every single forum member with children needs some means or method to positively secure (as in render inoperable) their immediate home defense firearm.

I am ALL FOR educating kids about firearms and firearm safety.
I am also only willing to trust any children but so far.
Because...children are not adults & all normal children "do things" when adults are not around.

I can only say this:
I was brought up in a home that was filled with "nooks & crannies" & high shelves & built in cabinets & there was Not One Single Place in that house that my parents could "hide" anything where I could't find if I set my mind to it.
That's a fact.:yup:

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snowdoctor

Discussion Starter · #18 · Mar 8, 2006

Qk, well again in concur, I too grew up in a similar house, no place to hide so to speak. BUT I also grew up with knowledge and respect for firearms. ALL the guns in my parents house was loaded...still are today. That was acceptible then, people go crazy about that now. I can say, I never picked up or played with one of those NEVER. education, fear, respect, call it what you want. Now that isn't the way I chose to keep the firearms in my house, but I hope to instill the same "awareness" about firearms in my children. They are yet too young.

Bumper

· #19 · Mar 8, 2006

sojourner said:
I appreciate the civil and polite manner of discourse here on the forum. Deciding pro/con on the piecekeeper is an individual choice. My attempt was to bring up a point (that an anal retentive worrying type like me) thinks/worries about. If I was able to communicate my point then I was successful. People could take my communications and agree/disagree, but they will have heard my point and consider it in their decision. And they will make their decision.

I could understand your point pretty well as it brought to mind concerns LEOs frequently have regarding their riotgun locked in the front seat of a patrol car. It's a convenient place for some evil-doer to shove a waded up piece of paper, chewing gun, cigarette butt, etc. I never really wanted to have go inspect the inside of the barrel before using it. I could see some kid innocently shoving a plastic bullet out of one of his toy guns or some other "thing" without your knowledge unless you had it mounted somewhere they couldn't get to.

snowdoctor

Discussion Starter · #20 · Mar 8, 2006

it is impossible to shove anything in the muzzle while the firearm is locked. maybe that is the main point of confusion. there is a brass rod in the muzzle.

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