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I read on here a lot about the use of a dog in a home defense situation. I was curious to what extent do you expect a dog to come into play in a defense scenario? Will the dog be used to make noise and alert you of an intruder? Is it used as a deterrent? Do you expect a dog to be your inital line of defense, attacking an intruder while you prepare to do your part? I am just wondering how heavily you rely on a dog in your own personal home defense strategy.

As far as on my end, I have one inside dog (pug) and 2 outside dogs (one mutt and one mountain cur). The pug is hit or miss as far as alerting to danger. If she isn't sleeping she will alert you of any out of place noise in the home to the point of aggrevation. The 2 outside dogs are very alert to out of place noises, but only bark when ther are suspicious noises very close to our home. I only have one that I would rely on for anything past alerting me of danger. My mountain cur is very protective of my wife, and, to an extent, of me. If anything were to happen in or around my home or property I know he would do his best to subdue any attacker, which would at least cause enough of a distraction to give me or my wife time to get into a defensive position. I don't rely on the dogs in my defense strategy, but they could play a good part in it if available.
 

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Here's what I posted in an earlier thread......

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Believe it or not, had the dog out on the porch with me one time when this crack head showed up. My doberman barked and growled.. and this dude walk right by him.

I have read in a lot of post about how having a dog is a good idea for home defense....yet I am convinced that a common house dog is only a small deterrent and not a real solution for home defense. end-quote

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I've never considered any dog a 'defense' in and of it's self......but any dog is certinally a great part of a 'layered' defense. Your 'pooch' may be nothing more than a 'noise-maker', but that's a really good thing! Either way, I'll wager he's a GREAT dog!


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Mojo has not been abused, he is part of my family. We almost view him as our second child. I guess socialized dogs make poor guard dogs.

goldshellback:
Your body language may or may not have played a part in his behavior, but he let ya know the addict was there......Good Dog!

Just keep a CLOSE eye on your stuff, addicts will never stop until they're stopped or they hit "rock-bottom". Stay Safe!



I've felt dogs are more of an 'alerter' than anything else, but certinally they are a deterrent 'if' inside. Any size/breed that can give you a heads up that something ain't right in the dog's universe is a GREAT dog! Most dogs ARE an initial line of defense and will jump into anyone that shouldn't be in his 'packs den' ,again, regardless of breed/size.........I said most. I have four dogs and although great noise makers, one of mine would just want to be petted by anybody, criminal or otherwise.
 

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Dogs are very useful. Most would-be thieves simply go to the next house when they start hearing dogs (especially the big ones). Simply locking up your place, and having a dog is enough to keep most thieves at bay. Most thieves are opportunistic in nature...

As far as self defense goes. If an attacker is determined, no I don't think a dog would be a viable means of sole self defense. I do think it has the potential to be of use in slowing down the attacker; more importantly, it will alert you of the attackers presence.

Simply put, I don't rely on dogs; they are simply another tool for a given situation (in self defense regards)
 

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Even against a well trained attack dog, any determined/armed BG could easily deal with them if they know how. As far as my dog goes (Lab/Pit mix) she is mainly an early warning alarm and a deterant to the burglar who might not have picked a house yet. I would expect her to buy me some time or distract a BG, but not more than a few seconds. And as we have no kids, the dog is our baby, and I would be planning on avenging my dog if a BG broke in and killed the dog.

If they kill the dog, it is clear they are dangerous and agressive, and in the house, just adds to your justification in lethal force.
 

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Yep. Just an additional layer to your home defense network.

Little dogs are generally more alert and yappy.
Bigger dogs scare the buggers out of BG's and buy you some time.
 

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I had a saint bernard for 4 years (unfortunately, he passed away in the kennel while we were on vacation, but that is another story).. When we had him, we lived in a not so nice part of town.. The subdivision was pretty old (age of residents) and a lot of BGs saw it as an easy target.. I know that he saved our house several times.. There is just something about see'ing a 200lb dog around the house that make people look somewhere else.. In our case, he was a major deterrent, just based on his size.. If anyone knew saints, they would know that they were the ones to hit.. A saint would much rather help out an attacker and show them where everything is then to attack.. but that is just their nature.. He never barked, but when he did, I even got scared.. So, it would really depend on the dog, but generally, they can be very helpful.. Especially if you are a heavy sleeper and need something a little "extra" to wake you up..
 

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Thanks guys. As I said, I don't rely on them so much, but feel that they can be useful. It is interesting to see everyone's opinion on the subject. All of the opinions are basically the same from what I have seen on this site and elsewhere, a dog is a good early warning system/deterrent, but isn't expected to be usefully utilized for much other than that.
 

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We have two dogs, one little and one Lab. They both do a good job of alerting to unusual noises, and it seems their sense of smell, at least the little ones is pretty good. When ever there is a racoon or possum hanging out in the area we know because the dogs want to be outside.

I think they would serve well as an early warning system and the lab would probably buy me a few extra seconds to get into defensive position
 

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My Great Dane is a giant. A Giant wuss. He gets all loud and brave when he hears someone outside, or someone new comes into the house, so he's great on ALERT. However once he meets you, he tends to come running to Mama, hide behind my legs, and wait until I tell him "It's ok, go say hi."

So I love the fact that he can usually alert me to something being amiss before I would figure it out myself, especially when I'm sleeping (code white and then some!). But as far as I'm concerned, he just buys me a few precious seconds to come to my senses and reach for a firearm. He is SO not going to take on a bad guy.

He is completely used to gunfire though, so if S ever HTF, at least it wouldn't be soooo traumatic for him.

Not sure about the new little pup, Trigger. Other than having a cool name, she's completely useless at the moment! lol
 

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I should add...

Because the Dane is so big and so loud when strangers come to the door, I like the fact that anyone "casing" my home might think twice. I've also happily spread the rumor for YEARS that my big, vicious-sounding dogs are quarrantined in the home because the judge ordered they not be in public anymore after they tore that home invader's scrotum.

Most people (strangers, solicitors, pizza delivery guys, etc) think twice before stepping inside now. And I'm perfectly happy with that. Sometimes literally the bark IS worse than the bite, you know?
 

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dog = perimeter alarm

if the dog is an active home defender that could be used against you should the low life sue.

Plus if its main job is to be a family dog you shouldn't rely on the poor thing to protect the whole house. If a home invader attempts a break in he will hear *bark* *bark* *bark* *bark* CLICK! CLICK! *bark* *bark* "I AM ARMED AND I WILL PROTECT MYSELF!!" *bark**bark*

if he gets in and doesn't back down it will be *bark**bark* BANG! CLICK! CLICK! BANG! CLICK! CLICK! BANG! CLICK! CLICK! BANG! CLICK! CLICK! BANG! *clunk* *swish* *beep beep beep garble garble* (me unholstering my .45 and calling 911) :comeandgetsome:
 

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my vicious killer Doberman..





 

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I'll try to make this short..........was on vacation with my wife and left our male German Shepard "Rebel" with my in-laws. We get a call at the hotel to call home. Seems an insurance adjuster who came by to look at my brother-in-laws truck which hit a deer came into their house....they forgot Rebel was loose in their basement. Rebel advanced on the adjuster grabbing his arm as the man tried to fend himself off the dog. He hit my B.I.L in the head with his spiral rate book and opened a large wound. By this time both were bleeding and they finally get the dog under control. Both are treated at the hospital and we figured we're gonna be sued....after two weeks I get a letter from the clerks office from the town they live in stating this was a PROVOKED attack......as the adjuster admitted seeing an old "Beware Of The Dog" sign that was on the door for years and elected to enter the house anyway.....................Geeezzzz were we lucky.

Rebel lived up to his name........a great protector and all business.
 

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I should add...

Because the Dane is so big and so loud when strangers come to the door, I like the fact that anyone "casing" my home might think twice...

...Most people (strangers, solicitors, pizza delivery guys, etc) think twice before stepping inside now. And I'm perfectly happy with that. Sometimes literally the bark IS worse than the bite, you know?
My Grandmother had a Weimaraner for this same purpose. She loved the great respect strangers afforded her and her dog. :yup:
 

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Our dog is a small Poodle. He weighs about 20#. He's not going to attack any invader but nothing gets in the house without him making noise. He's an excellent alert system and as such plays a role in my program of home security.
 

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I have a Rottweiler and a Belgian Malinois. They better warn of an intruder because I will get rid of them if they ever fail to do so.
 

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I think dogs make great alarm systems, companions, and cheap labor. I have two dogs, a blue heeler, and an Australian Kelpie. Both are cow dogs and work cattle great. They both also stay in the house with me and only bark when someone they don't know is at the door or coyotes are close to the house. They sick cattle on my command but i don't know what they would do to an intruder. They only part that scares me a little if I did heaven forbid have to use my weapon in self defense at home and when the police arrive they have a K-9 unit it would be tough for my dogs to allow it in their territory.
 

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I think dogs make great alarm systems, companions, and cheap labor. I have two dogs, a blue heeler, and an Australian Kelpie. Both are cow dogs and work cattle great. They both also stay in the house with me and only bark when someone they don't know is at the door or coyotes are close to the house. They sick cattle on my command but i don't know what they would do to an intruder. They only part that scares me a little if I did heaven forbid have to use my weapon in self defense at home and when the police arrive they have a K-9 unit it would be tough for my dogs to allow it in their territory.
I've found Heelers to be very protective and very good for defensive usage.

My Red Heeler is old and deaf now, but he still tries to attack anyone that enters without the proper hand signal given by me or my wife. The "plan" is to use the Heeler as "cannon fodder" to allow us to get to a more defensive position or buy us time. I will sacrifice the dog(s) to save the humans in the house.

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The job of dog in our house is currently held by a pound puppy. He is about thirty pounds and is half Jack Russell terrier. Think thirty pounds on four pogo sticks. He is an inside dog and serves as early warning. We encourage that and so he responds.

A large dog we had in the past was definitely a deterrent. The best thing that ever happened with the big dog was when the high school cross country team was trying to cheat on their coach during practice. They cut through our property to save some miles. The dog and I were out in the yard. The dog started his loud scary barking and in a moment of inspiration, I grabbed his collar and acted like he was trying to get at them. I kept yelling run run I can't hold on much longer. The next day, both boys got asked several times at school if the dog had ever attacked anybody. That dog has been dead seven years and last week I got a call from a stranger who wanted to come see me about something. He asked if I still had that big dog. I told him I would put it in the basement. Dead seven years and still has a reputation in the town. That is a good dog.
 

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A good dog will never let you be taken by surprise, which makes them worth it on its own. 2 of my 3 dogs I have no doubt would get into the fight if needed, my boxer/pitt mix runs away from the neighbors pomeranian but she will bark. When we are around and someone comes to the door, the dogs beat us there making a lot of noise, but they move out of the way and stand behind us when we open the door, they let down their guard when they see we aren't worried and then race to get their toys to show to the newcomer. A couple people from work have stopped by when we aren't there and told me that the dogs have made it clear that they aren't coming in. So I feel they are a great part of the overall system, like has been said before dogs alone won't stop a determined BG with a plan, but they will make a BG of oppertunity move on or if you are home give you the warning you need or slow down attacker long enough for you to respond.
 
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