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Well let me ask you this, where do you think we should draw the line? The 2A is quite cut and dry, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Also, are we willing and able to use the 2A for what its meant to be used for as a last resort? If not then that defeats the purpose of the 2A.

And I don't blame the second amendment crowd for our rights being eroded, I blame them for ALLOWING our rights to be eroded.

Same as we do with the first. Read up on strict scrutiny and second amendment. Some say the standard of reviews are still unsettled for the second amendment, but for now this appears to be the what the lower and appellate courts are going with.
 

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Well let me ask you this, where do you think we should draw the line? The 2A is quite cut and dry, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Also, are we willing and able to use the 2A for what its meant to be used for as a last resort? If not then that defeats the purpose of the 2A.

And I don't blame the second amendment crowd for our rights being eroded, I blame them for ALLOWING our rights to be eroded.
Well, while you are blaming the "2A crowd" for allowing your rights to be eroded, what the heck have you done about it? I'd like to hear your personal list of pro-2A activities and accomplishments. It's one thing to be all sanctimonious about what other people have failed to accomplish. It's another to get out and get your hands dirty and see how hard fighting for 2A is. So whatcha got?
 

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Well, while you are blaming the "2A crowd" for allowing your rights to be eroded, what the heck have you done about it? I'd like to hear your personal list of pro-2A activities and accomplishments. It's one thing to be all sanctimonious about what other people have failed to accomplish. It's another to get out and get your hands dirty and see how hard fighting for 2A is. So whatcha got?
Well for one thing Im making these posts, hopefully it will get people's attention as its gotten yours.

And I am not excluding myself from the second amendment crowd when I talk about blaming them for allowing your 2A rights to be eroded.
 

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Well for one thing Im making these posts, hopefully it will get people's attention as its gotten yours.

And I am not excluding myself from the second amendment crowd when I talk about blaming them for allowing your 2A rights to be eroded.
So you got nothin'. Thought so. All talk, no action.

Posting on an online forum is not "getting people's attention." The internet is not reality. This is not where people's rights get preserved or eroded. Getting people's attention is lobbying, protesting, showing up at rallies, attending legislative meetings, campaigning for candidates, you know, hard stuff that gets you away from the keyboard.

I think we are zeroing in on who is really responsible for allowing our rights to be eroded. I'd look in the mirror if I were you.
 

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So you got nothin'. Thought so. All talk, no action.

Posting on an online forum is not "getting people's attention." The internet is not reality. This is not where people's rights get preserved or eroded. Getting people's attention is lobbying, protesting, showing up at rallies, attending legislative meetings, campaigning for candidates, you know, hard stuff that gets you away from the keyboard.
I do that stuff as well but I also do everything else that can make a difference, and that includes posting online. The internet is not reality? The last time I checked the internet was real and lots of people use it. Protesting, rallies, and meetings are all good but you're not going to reach the same number of people with those things as you would with the internet. Those of us who are for the 2nd Amendment, we are spread far and wide across the country, what better way to connect with such people than through the internet?

One of the problems is the hostility I observe in the 2A crowd and by that I mean hostility towards each other. I've had people in the 2A crowd act hostile towards me and towards other people who believe like me in the 2A. Sometimes what I say might be painful but its the truth, if we want to win this fight for the 2A we need to be able to take some painful truth. I really do think its in our best interest for us to be friends and for the rest of the people in the 2A crowd to be friends with us as well, that is, if we want to win the fight for the 2A.

Anyway, speaking of the internet here is another video, something to bring attention.
 

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Photonguy, I had to quote you on this:
"The problem is, many people in the gun community, many gun owners, I don't believe would be a part of that. Lets say that here in the USA they passed the same kind of gun laws as what they've got in Japan. Now lets say as a result of passing such laws the government is going door to door and seizing all the guns. Many people would no doubt quietly turn in their guns. Quietly turning in your guns in such a situation is not overthrowing an oppressive government, its the opposite of overthrowing an oppressive government. So that's why I blame the gun community, because the put up with the erosion of gun rights and because many in the gun community would turn over their guns in the case of a door to door seizing of guns. Why do I think many people would quietly turn in their guns? Just look at the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as an example"

I believe the One-gun panic buyers, and hardcore Sheeple will do this (turn in their guns). NOT the real "Gun Community" that is out there today. Too many of us have learned by the Past, and are ever vigilant. In the case of a "door to door" seizing, I'm pretty sure you'd see a total uprising.
 

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My point about the cars was that the Ferrari and Prius owners likely have complete different views when it comes to automobiles, assuming the Ferrari owner doesn’t have a Prius parked at home, or the Prius owner a Ferrari of course. One person buys a car to get then to and from where they need to go as cheaply as possible and doesn’t care about cars beyond that. The other person enjoys driving, hangs out with car clubs, etc.

i take a very firm stance on “shall not be infringed” and even many on this board think that is crazy. The majority of people buy a deer rifle and that’s it. They are “a gun owner, but...” plenty of others carry a gun for defense, “but...” etc. we can’t just assume that because people own guns that they will all have the same views. We have long relied on that. Even with all the recent gun sales, who are the people buying guns? Is it the antifa people? Just because gun sales are booming doesn’t mean those people buying them will think like you or I do.
^^^ You're spot on with the last paragraph for sure!
Recently, a few of us who work the gun floor, have noticed a different type of individual coming in to buy a gun, OR several guns. YES, a "couple of us" have "profiled" several of these types of buyers, and YES, they're VERY out-of-sorts from the usual buyer we see. Out of sorts meaning no knowledge of guns, yet they want the highest capacity mags possible, and they want to know how FAST the gun(s) can fire. They also want "GreenTip" ammo or "black tip" ammo....We've spoken about ANTIFA and other Groups like them coming in the Store to "stock up" on their weapons too.
They're looking for:
ANY type of AR Platform, and they have little to no knowledge of the rifle.
ANY defensive Shotgun,
ANY type of Handgun
 
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