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There is a generation in our midst that has yet to appreciate the efforts of those who have gone before them. They are raised by the yuppie generation - to be frank of which I am one of. They lack the respect - "in general" - that we grew-up with. This generation and the generation they are raising have no clue to life. Many of you are probably of this generation - I'm not pointing a finger at you. There is always a remnant in every generation of those who are guided by core values and not political correctness.

If we are to preserve our rights - changes need to take place in those ages 10 through 25. This group needs to understand why America was founded and the rights that we have. Many of you know of someone in this age group who are naïve or are forming their opinions. You need to get to know them and take them to the range, hunting, or wherever. Educate them and help them understand that what is happening in Washington DC is not in their favor and the government doesn't trust them. When the younger generation realizes - that they are not trusted - it is my belief they will swing a direction that is positive not only that matches our beliefs but also is best for the country. Washington DC does not trust the people of this country and folks don't understand that.

At the same time this age group needs to understand that success comes with hard work - not looking for a handout form uncle sam. And that they should realize their tax dollars are paying for a lot of deadbeats not doing anything.

The biggest change that can take place is for us - to take a stand and show others what is right. Not through some brainwashing process but from the heart.
 

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You are correct.

However, when people can get something for free, they will. That is what we are fighting. They really do not care about rights as long as the check is in the mail box on the 1st of each month...
 

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One of my long standing theories, is that every generation wants its progeny to have a better life than they did...

My grandparents did not want their children to go into old age without "security" (as they, or their parents did, during the depression) they voted in Social Security.

My folks, part of the "Greatest Generation" wanted their children to get college educations, which would further their earning power, and give them (the children) even greater wealth than they experienced, with their suburban homes, and car in the driveway...

My generation, having the best that our parents could give us, and finding a good life from it... What could we give our children???

The only thing that came to our collective minds, as a generation, was a lack of discipline... Our generation WAS disciplined... We were spanked, we were grounded, we were "abused" by today's standards... Some peer "expert" convinced most of us that "sparing the rod" was the ONLY way... Many did... Timeouts, reasoning with children, offering "choices" became the new norm...

So, we gave our children....

A LACK OF DISCIPLINE... And this is what we wrought.


OOOOPS!
 

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We are living with a generation that contains two lines of thinking...#1. It's not my fault, and #2. What are you going to do for me now?
Unfortunately, we also now have school systems that cater to those lines of thinking. Competition is watered down, grades are watered down...expectations in general, are all watered down.
We are/have ruined the young ones in our society, and government handouts have completely ruined the work ethic.:hand1:
 

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We are living with a generation that contains two lines of thinking...#1. It's not my fault, and #2. What are you going to do for me now?
Unfortunately, we also now have school systems that cater to those lines of thinking. Competition is watered down, grades are watered down...expectations in general, are all watered down.
We are/have ruined the young ones in our society, and government handouts have completely ruined the work ethic.:hand1:

I cant argue with that.
 

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Every generation throughout history has had its difficulties. The generations before it were held up as having the solutions, and the ones following it were seen as the cause of the problems.
 

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In this generation, and I am as guilty as anyone, we spoil our childern, when I was 14 I had to get a job to buy the things I wanted, my kids just come to dad and they get it, I dont make them go out and work, when they need something I get it for them, if the truth be told Im really not doing them any favors by doing this, they are growing up with out the work ethic which drove the older generations.
So alot of this is our fault, that our kids dont have the drive we did
 

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...If we are to preserve our rights - changes need to take place in those ages 10 through 25. This group needs to understand why America was founded and the rights that we have. Many of you know of someone in this age group who are naïve or are forming their opinions. You need to get to know them and take them to the range, hunting, or wherever. Educate them and help them understand that what is happening in Washington DC is not in their favor and the government doesn't trust them. When the younger generation realizes - that they are not trusted - it is my belief they will swing a direction that is positive not only that matches our beliefs but also is best for the country. Washington DC does not trust the people of this country and folks don't understand that.

At the same time this age group needs to understand that success comes with hard work - not looking for a handout form uncle sam. And that they should realize their tax dollars are paying for a lot of deadbeats not doing anything.

The biggest change that can take place is for us - to take a stand and show others what is right. Not through some brainwashing process but from the heart.
I agree with the above, however, all generations have a common trait of being rational animals. Teach critical thought and rational and responsible action (the nobility of good work) and they'll come around to be productive, contributing, respectful and self-respecting citizens perhaps after a usually temporary foray into socialist liberalism.
A general failure of gun controllers is belief in the power of the collective. But any collective is a composition of individuals. As Communism proves, people who benefit from the work of others contribute as little personal energy as possible, and "from each according to his ability" becomes a smaller component of society, and "to each according to his need" becomes greater. Basically, imposed from above, collectivism fails. But social responsibility, encouraged from within, succeeds. That's why we don't need a citizen:cop ratio of 10:1. More like 300 or 400:1, I guess. And why the small, family unit works fine with communism: there are immediate and intimate consequences.
 
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Every generation throughout history has had its difficulties. The generations before it were held up as having the solutions, and the ones following it were seen as the cause of the problems.
Certainly true... But most of my generation learned the value of work for reward... The newer gens, according to employers I've talked to, expect pats on the back and attaboys for doing their job minimally, not for going above and beyond.

I agree with the above. However, all generations have a common trait of being rational animals. Teach critical thought and rational and responsible action (the nobility of good work) and they'll come around after their usually temporary foray into socialist liberalism.
Where is critical thought taught today? It's all "teach to the tests" Standardized tests, that is...
 

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At the same time this age group needs to understand that success comes with hard work - not looking for a handout form uncle sam. And that they should realize their tax dollars are paying for a lot of deadbeats not doing anything.
And that there is the single biggest issue we have facing us. Free rides, and the "woosification" of America. Take my kids tee ball game - they don't keep score, and everyone gets a trophy. So if there is no lesson taught that losing doesn't feel good, how do we keep anyone off the dole? If you can fail and still win or break even , whether tee ball or life, only the proud will really try.
 

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And that there is the single biggest issue we have facing us. Free rides, and the "woosification" of America. Take my kids tee ball game - they don't keep score, and everyone gets a trophy. So if there is no lesson taught that losing doesn't feel good, how do we keep anyone off the dole? If you can fail and still win or break even , whether tee ball or life, only the proud will really try.
There are few "proud" any more.. Oh, they have pride... Pride that they showed up.. But we've mis applied the teaching... Pride goeth before the fall"
 

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A well-managed youth shooting program would do wonders on bolstering 2A in the future. Of course boys AND GIRLS both.

When I was a kid, I believe it was the local sheriff's office, that put on a formal summer shoot for kids. Certain age group used BB guns; a little older used single shot CO2; and older yet used .22.

"Ready on the right, ready on the left, commence firing"

As our scores improved we could get patches or badges that noted our rank. IIRC the parents had to chip in for those :rofl: !

Get kids interested in shooting.....I believe this just gave me an idea.
 

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I personally believe there is no single root cause, but rather several causes that have previously been listed - and dependencies between most of them. But, I love threads like this because you often pick-up on other dimensions of the problem that you haven't thought of or run across before.

First, I think that the lack of good parenting (significantly contributed to by an increasing divorce rate) is a big factor. Associated with that are decreasing numbers of people who have faith in something outside themselves. If you don't feel there are consequences after you shoot yourself in the head it probably becomes easier to do those evil and heinous acts that we've seen since Columbine. Not believing that there is real evil in the world give you cause to look for other things to blame.

Then, there is this overwhelming victim mentality that seems to have started in the 1960's. Instead of being the "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave," we have become "Land of the weak and Home of the victims." Many people no longer want to be responsible for what happens to them (e.g., I didn't get so fat from not exercising and eating two Big Macs every day, it happened because McDonald's didn't give me better choices). No responsibility = no accountability, and that leads to becoming a criminal (wolf) or victim (sheep). Lawsuits have skyrocketed over the past 25 or so years (seems like since the McDonald's lawsuit in 1994 (Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants)).

There are other things that have hurt us. Zero tolerance for violence. Kids used to fight, hurt their ego more than anything else, learn something, and be friends again - all in the course of a day or two. Bullying is bad and has always been bad, but I personally believe that goes back to bad parenting more than anything. Not having competition because you don't want "losers" who might feel bad has created a scenario where kids aren't driven to be winners. Lack of work ethic - and I'm guilty of this myself. I grew up with very little, worked for everything I had, was the first person in our family to graduate college, and like every parent wanted my kids to have a better life than I did. So I gave them stuff - lots of it. Then then expected it and felt entitled, becoming indignant when they were told to work for something. We've been working to fix that problem for several years now and it is much better, but I realize this was a huge mistake I made. And, when I'm talking with other parents they often voice similar sentiments. It's a big problem in general, and fixing it is neither fun nor easy.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. I'm sure that there is more to it than this, and am also convinced that there is no easy fix. But, recognizing the problem is the first step in fixing it.


As an aside, here are two recent posts in other threads that elaborate on my biased perspective. The funny thing is that I used to view myself as a "conservative leaning moderate," but the past year has completely removed any "leaning" that was there in the past. I'm far from perfect, but I'm doing my best so that my children have a clear understanding of thinking on their own (we focus a lot on the process, and I let them reach their own conclusions), and afterward explain my perspective and why I believe what I do. Time will tell if it was the right thing to do.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/second-amendment-gun-legislation-discussion/164924-its-cavalcade-demoratic-ignorance-2.html#post2689539
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/bob-terrys-place/161308-what-do-you-see-2.html
 

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I believe that society is the #1 cause for this. We have failed as people believing there is no god, allowing homosexuals to marry, ignore the people that really do need help, etc. Mark my words when I say this will only get worse.
 

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Addressing the title of this thread "the solution to our political problems" Kick them all out and send the lobbyists with them. I think that would be a good start.

As to what has happened to our society I would agree with many of the previous comments and add the loss of religion.
 

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I really like the kick them all out concept. And most of what they have legislated as well.
 

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I believe that society is the #1 cause for this. We have failed as people believing there is no god, allowing homosexuals to marry, ignore the people that really do need help, etc. Mark my words when I say this will only get worse.
Why haven't you failed, Mtnmanca? Maybe it's because you are a devout reader of the Bible able to interpret its message on the national/international level. Maybe it's because you have great insight into human nature....

IMO, it's because you're an individual able to distinguish yourself from the society that you condemn. You're not the only one sick of false choices about gay marriage. That poll is a sham by an expansive government that has no authority to consecrate or prohibit such a personal choice.

Frankly, I believe one reason that the president, obviously supporting, pushed the Affordable Healthcare Act so hard is that he wants big government to absorb coverage of gay partners of which private insurers were leery.

Government makes illegitimate claims on our behavior. Individualism is the best posture of interacting with all members of our society. Teach the integrity of the individual, and you teach equality of the right to life, liberty, and happiness and the minimal government (and minimal taxes and regulation and false choices) necessary to secure and maintain that equality.

Addressing the title of this thread "the solution to our political problems" Kick them all out and send the lobbyists with them. I think that would be a good start.

As to what has happened to our society I would agree with many of the previous comments and add the loss of religion.
I really like the kick them all out concept. And most of what they have legislated as well.
I think that we're on the same page. We have religious differences, as always. But government does more to attack and impede our society than to secure its freedom. And it's way too influential for a free society.
 

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I think that part of the solution is to stop conflating your political opponents. What does the 2A have to do with entitlements or gay rights? Nearly nothing. Bemoaning entitlements or gay rights is not part of any solution to the erosion of gun rights, it's part of the problem. Once our 'side' is comfortable with spouting attacks that are not on point, then people will become defensive about those points and (likely) reduce the weight given to the opinion of our side. Entitlements and gay rights are especially poisonous to your political voice. Too many of the pro-2A crowd can be easily observed drawing upon their entitlements, and so it's too easy to see hypocrisy. Gay rights have nothing to do with the 2A, and that last thing you want is for people to conflate gun ownership with homophobia

Stop asking people to choose between gun rights and some other social issue, by implicitly suggesting that one leads to the other. The goal is to get all parties to embrace the 2A, and then get them to distinguish themselves along other fronts for the voting public. The goal is not to make 2A rights the defining feature of just a few parties. And the very last thing you want is to force people to choose. Two federal elections ago, I voted against the pro-gun (lol, I'm in Canada, it's different) party because I preferred the gay-rights policy of the other party. Their homophobia lost me consideration for my vote.
 

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I think that part of the solution is to stop conflating your political opponents. What does the 2A have to do with entitlements or gay rights? Nearly nothing. Bemoaning entitlements or gay rights is not part of any solution to the erosion of gun rights, it's part of the problem. Once our 'side' is comfortable with spouting attacks that are not on point, then people will become defensive about those points and (likely) reduce the weight given to the opinion of our side. Entitlements and gay rights are especially poisonous to your political voice. Too many of the pro-2A crowd can be easily observed drawing upon their entitlements, and so it's too easy to see hypocrisy. Gay rights have nothing to do with the 2A, and that last thing you want is for people to conflate gun ownership with homophobia

Stop asking people to choose between gun rights and some other social issue, by implicitly suggesting that one leads to the other. The goal is to get all parties to embrace the 2A, and then get them to distinguish themselves along other fronts for the voting public. The goal is not to make 2A rights the defining feature of just a few parties. And the very last thing you want is to force people to choose. Two federal elections ago, I voted against the pro-gun (lol, I'm in Canada, it's different) party because I preferred the gay-rights policy of the other party. Their homophobia lost me consideration for my vote.
There is a lot of truth to that, and I believe this is intentionally done by the Left. They know they can't win on logic due to places like Chicago, California, and Washington DC. Additionally, places like Connecticut already had the fifth toughest gun laws in the nation and we still had tragedy.

So, if you can't win on logic then build an emotional argument and conflate as many of the issues that you can because each time you will pick-up part of another demographic group. Get enough of them and soon it looks like a majority - even if it isn't. Combine that with some ambiguous surveys that you can tout as "proving the majority wants" something.

Before long you have created a deep divide between the two groups, increased the animosity between them, and hardened those beliefs based on that extra emotion. And, all because you (effectively) tied something people didn't care about with something they were passionate about.

So, the most liberal of the Democrats may not be so good with logic, but they are damn good with Marketing. It's a game of numbers, and they keep refining their message and twisting everything else so theirs can grow. There's definitely a lesson to be learned here.
 
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