We are living in troubled times......IMO.
The UN Arms Treaty is Back
These people will not back down. This legislation must be defeated!
UN reopens talks on NRA-opposed arms trade treaty | Fox News
UN reopens talks on NRA-opposed arms trade treaty | Fox News
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Signing over authority to regulate firearms to an international body that includes equal votes from players like Iran, Egypt, Pakistan and Cuba is nothing short of insanity. The current administration can spin this any way it wants - this is evil plain and simple.
...don't let the camel get his head in the tent...
Sent notes to both Senator's on this to vote NO... not sure how much good it will dol
My prediction is same as last time:
1. Folks will get their panties in a wad without even seeing the proposed treaty
2. GUn orgs will fester and pester folks saying the end is near and they need more money to lobby our senators (which last time most said they would not vote for the treaty anyway, that was before the big rush on money)
3. Countries will bicker and countries like Iran, Syria, China, and Russia will not want the treaty either (which means there would be no treaty since the US wants consenus on the wording and approval)
4. Their will be 20 pages of people reciting and requoting decisions about if a treaty trumps the constitution and why and why not.
5. Nearing the end folks will be doing another gun and ammo buy
6. The the treaty will never get out of the UN and if it does it will not pass the Senate
7. Gun orgs will claim victory, even though well before a majofity of Senators will already state they are opposed to it. And if it never gets out of the UN I highly doubt, like last time, that the UN gives a hoot about what US gun organizations say.
I did not mention all of the Blue helmet conspiracies.....:blink:
1. Folks will get their panties in a wad without even seeing the proposed treaty
2. GUn orgs will fester and pester folks saying the end is near and they need more money to lobby our senators (which last time most said they would not vote for the treaty anyway, that was before the big rush on money)
3. Countries will bicker and countries like Iran, Syria, China, and Russia will not want the treaty either (which means there would be no treaty since the US wants consenus on the wording and approval)
4. Their will be 20 pages of people reciting and requoting decisions about if a treaty trumps the constitution and why and why not.
5. Nearing the end folks will be doing another gun and ammo buy
6. The the treaty will never get out of the UN and if it does it will not pass the Senate
7. Gun orgs will claim victory, even though well before a majofity of Senators will already state they are opposed to it. And if it never gets out of the UN I highly doubt, like last time, that the UN gives a hoot about what US gun organizations say.
I did not mention all of the Blue helmet conspiracies.....:blink:
Th UN Treaty could be worse than Feinstiens AWB, because it would seek to control and/or ban all small arms.
I see your point, but don't find it a reason to become complacent.My prediction is same as last time:
1. Folks will get their panties in a wad without even seeing the proposed treaty
2. GUn orgs will fester and pester folks saying the end is near and they need more money to lobby our senators (which last time most said they would not vote for the treaty anyway, that was before the big rush on money)
3. Countries will bicker and countries like Iran, Syria, China, and Russia will not want the treaty either (which means there would be no treaty since the US wants consenus on the wording and approval)
4. Their will be 20 pages of people reciting and requoting decisions about if a treaty trumps the constitution and why and why not.
5. Nearing the end folks will be doing another gun and ammo buy
6. The the treaty will never get out of the UN and if it does it will not pass the Senate
7. Gun orgs will claim victory, even though well before a majofity of Senators will already state they are opposed to it. And if it never gets out of the UN I highly doubt, like last time, that the UN gives a hoot about what US gun organizations say.
I did not mention all of the Blue helmet conspiracies.....:blink:
It is when we become complacent and assume that someone else will do the work for us that we will lose. I have noted through a number of other threads that progressives will keep bringing up an issue until people either fall asleep or finally agree to a 'compromise'.My prediction is same as last time:
1. Folks will get their panties in a wad without even seeing the proposed treaty
2. GUn orgs will fester and pester folks saying the end is near and they need more money to lobby our senators (which last time most said they would not vote for the treaty anyway, that was before the big rush on money)
3. Countries will bicker and countries like Iran, Syria, China, and Russia will not want the treaty either (which means there would be no treaty since the US wants consenus on the wording and approval)
4. Their will be 20 pages of people reciting and requoting decisions about if a treaty trumps the constitution and why and why not.
5. Nearing the end folks will be doing another gun and ammo buy
6. The the treaty will never get out of the UN and if it does it will not pass the Senate
7. Gun orgs will claim victory, even though well before a majofity of Senators will already state they are opposed to it. And if it never gets out of the UN I highly doubt, like last time, that the UN gives a hoot about what US gun organizations say.
I did not mention all of the Blue helmet conspiracies.....:blink:
And as for Russia and China, I think they will be all over it. They know that we will actually honor something we sign. They will push for it knowing they have no intention of actually following the rules. It gives them an opportunity to continue systematically chipping away at our will.
Don't fall asleep and assume it will be OK because they couldn't possibly pass something like this.
People can complain all day about gun lobbyists using this as a means to collect revenue, but no one is forcing you to give them your money. Keep in mind, those are the same lobbyists fighting to keep our rights secure in this country. I'm sure you have noticed their efforts in the past several months. Also, the current administration will use this treaty as a tool to further their agenda on the need for "common sense gun restrictions" in this country. They will try to pass more federal legislation, and they will urge the states to pass their own legislation.
Also, there is the principle that our "country" is supporting this treaty along with the other nutjob dictators that have filled seats in the UN - and goes against everything that our constitution is supposed to protect. It sickens me.
Also, there is the principle that our "country" is supporting this treaty along with the other nutjob dictators that have filled seats in the UN - and goes against everything that our constitution is supposed to protect. It sickens me.
Nah, we live in "interesting times." Now just read what the lobbyist for Amnesty International says about guns:We are living in troubled times......IMO.
New talks about an old subject – international gun control – begin today at the United Nations in New York, and sure to be involved at some point is the Bellevue-based International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR)…
U.N. global gun control effort begins anew - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
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The draft treaty under consideration does not control the domestic use of weapons in any country, but it would prohibit states that ratify the treaty from transferring conventional weapons if they would violate arms embargoes or if they would promote acts of genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes.
If this passes, would it mean that Mr. Holder wouldn't be able to sell guns to Mexican drug lords?
Mmmm, I kind of thought that his actions were already illegal.
If this passes, would it mean that Mr. Holder wouldn't be able to sell guns to Mexican drug lords?
Mmmm, I kind of thought that his actions were already illegal.
Obama requires the approval by the congress for all treaties. I read a summary of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) by the Heritage Group and they are against the agreement. In short the ATT makes no mention of arms control within the US, only import and export. Bottom line, if approved there will be a dramatic increase in the import fees.
I hate to say this but the ATT, if approved, would drive the prices up for all imported firearms and that could be a windfall for the US weapons manufacturers. On the other hand America is one of the largest exporters of weapons world wide and the treaty could possibly place limits on the type and amount of those exports. A reduction in demand equals a reduction in revenues and the workforce.
I hate to say this but the ATT, if approved, would drive the prices up for all imported firearms and that could be a windfall for the US weapons manufacturers. On the other hand America is one of the largest exporters of weapons world wide and the treaty could possibly place limits on the type and amount of those exports. A reduction in demand equals a reduction in revenues and the workforce.
This is how the book was written. Take a subject any one you choose and I can show you the steps taken to control that subject. In our case when does it quit being fun?? The left will take a third of our ranks and turn them to another sport or passtime. When you open gun blogs and they are nothing but doom and Gloom from start to fisnish. The left then takes the two thirds that are left and they start regulation combined with taxation. This will take another group out of the sport and make them take up something else. Then the final mark of the liberal teach the children your parents are bad people if they own guns.
Look at smoking the exact same campaign. Look at drugs the same campaign although this one is not working and they can't figure why look a prohibition libs give you an idea. The pursuit of intoxication is as old as man chewing on plant buds and mushrooms. Look at DUI check points and the list goes on and on.
The one part of the equation i don't understand and most others don't appear to. Once in a while something will stick in the American peoples throat and they refuse to drink the coolaid. I have watched in amazements on things the people choose to hold a line on. Prop 13 in California is a great example people said no and pushed the taxers out of the box completely. Gun ownership may turn out to be the same where people have had enough time will tell.
The bright side of this last year is I bet there are several very bright people working on laser targeting systems that will allow you to practice in the garage or the office with very realistic results. I could see simulation ranges and killing houses springing up they could engulf us in video and let us shoot simunitions that don't require all the permitting process and still allow us to train and stay in the game.
Think about OSHA and what would happen if there were products in the US that produce harmful hearing loss and there is a way to muffle that sound they would have laws against shooting without one of those mufflers on a gun but no a silencer is evil.
We will win this in the long run but the fight is long and very un-fun.
tired of doom and gloom
Look at smoking the exact same campaign. Look at drugs the same campaign although this one is not working and they can't figure why look a prohibition libs give you an idea. The pursuit of intoxication is as old as man chewing on plant buds and mushrooms. Look at DUI check points and the list goes on and on.
The one part of the equation i don't understand and most others don't appear to. Once in a while something will stick in the American peoples throat and they refuse to drink the coolaid. I have watched in amazements on things the people choose to hold a line on. Prop 13 in California is a great example people said no and pushed the taxers out of the box completely. Gun ownership may turn out to be the same where people have had enough time will tell.
The bright side of this last year is I bet there are several very bright people working on laser targeting systems that will allow you to practice in the garage or the office with very realistic results. I could see simulation ranges and killing houses springing up they could engulf us in video and let us shoot simunitions that don't require all the permitting process and still allow us to train and stay in the game.
Think about OSHA and what would happen if there were products in the US that produce harmful hearing loss and there is a way to muffle that sound they would have laws against shooting without one of those mufflers on a gun but no a silencer is evil.
We will win this in the long run but the fight is long and very un-fun.
tired of doom and gloom
Obviously i would not want something like this to pass ,but as a private citizen in a soverign nation i don't think i am obliged by law to any treaty between nations.Treatys are something governments agree to honor not citizens.
Now just where on earth did I say to be complacent? We should always be corresponding with our elected officals. I correspond with them when they are doing a good job. Most folks just wait for oppurtunities like this to finally write them.It is when we become complacent and assume that someone else will do the work for us that we will lose. I have noted through a number of other threads that progressives will keep bringing up an issue until people either fall asleep or finally agree to a 'compromise'.
And as for Russia and China, I think they will be all over it. They know that we will actually honor something we sign. They will push for it knowing they have no intention of actually following the rules. It gives them an opportunity to continue systematically chipping away at our will.
Don't fall asleep and assume it will be OK because they couldn't possibly pass something like this.
I was not saying be complacent. Just saying we go through this all the time and it works out the same way...over and over and over again.
I think some are scared of the time when it doesn't work out like it has in the past.I was not saying be complacent. Just saying we go through this all the time and it works out the same way...over and over and over again.
We are on the same page. We undoubtedly go through this too often! I think we are all tired of defending something that should be sacred enough that we do not have to defend it from our own government. Thanks for the clarity.Now just where on earth did I say to be complacent? We should always be corresponding with our elected officals. I correspond with them when they are doing a good job. Most folks just wait for oppurtunities like this to finally write them.
I was not saying be complacent. Just saying we go through this all the time and it works out the same way...over and over and over again.
The One World Government folks are not going to give up. To achieve their goals for their idea of utopia and global peace, national sovereignty and patriotism must be removed along with our Constitution and guns must be removed from the citizens. Destruction of national / regional fiat currencies must be crushed and replaced with a global one.
What other reason for:
The World Bank
International Monetary Fund
World Trade Organization
United Nations
and the other numerous world entities?
What other reason for:
The World Bank
International Monetary Fund
World Trade Organization
United Nations
and the other numerous world entities?
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