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Well, I have carried a snub AIWB or in a jacket pocket and it would be hard to get faster, at least for this old guy. This has been debated by myself for years. I have tried lots of carry modes with various guns like most here and still think that shrouded hammer snub is hard to beat for speed of bullets on target. Does the speed matter? Well, it can't hurt. Quicker to grab that grip shape as well I think.
 

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I don't think it gets much faster than appendix carry. For me of late that happens with a 9mm XDS but is possible with various other guns as well.
But do you believe it's more important than number of rounds in the gun?
 

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Deleted my first post because somehow I misinterpreted your post when I read it the first time. I agree that appendix is the fastest, however I have trouble carrying that way depending on what Im wearing.
 
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But do you believe it's more important than number of rounds in the gun?
I don't see it as either or so much but to answer the question, for an average guy like me it probably has the edge in importance over capacity. If someone puts holes in my head before I can get my hi cap Glock into service I'm dead as 6 pounds of dead flounder.
 

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But do you believe it's more important than number of rounds in the gun?
I lean towards it being more important, simply because having say, 16 rounds instead of 7 doesnt matter if Im unable to put rounds on target quickly enough.
 

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Personally I don't think the average bad guy takes into consideration what particular weapon has what capacity.
 

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Personally I don't think the average bad guy takes into consideration what particular weapon has what capacity.
We're not interested in what BG/s think, we're interested in what ccw'er who carry concealed believe, where trade offs are discussed between speed of presentation and ammo capacity
 

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That was fast!

IMHO, it's a far more important consideration than capacity or caliber, and even more so for civilian CC'ers than for police. If I ever have to shoot someone out in public, it will only happen because I'm reacting to a lethal threat that they're already presenting. I'm necessarily behind the curve, and would need to catch up.

Since the goal is not to kill the attacker, but rather to avoid receiving a grievous wound myself, I'd suggest that it's better to carry whatever one can draw and hit with the most quickly, even if it's low capacity or small caliber. It's said that a hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .45. I'd also say that a hit with a .22 a quarter-second before getting shot, beats a hit with a .45 a quarter-second after, even if that's followed by 12 more hits with a .45.
 

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That was fast!

IMHO, it's a far more important consideration than capacity or caliber, and even more so for civilian CC'ers than for police. If I ever have to shoot someone out in public, it will only happen because I'm reacting to a lethal threat that they're already presenting. I'm necessarily behind the curve, and would need to catch up.

Since the goal is not to kill the attacker, but rather to avoid receiving a grievous wound myself, I'd suggest that it's better to carry whatever one can draw and hit with the most quickly, even if it's low capacity or small caliber. It's said that a hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .45. I'd also say that a hit with a .22 a quarter-second before getting shot, beats a hit with a .45 a quarter-second after, even if that's followed by 12 more hits with a .45.
Exactly why I've got the NAA PUG 22mag "palmed" when moving through parking lots.
 

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More & more I find the simplicity of having my LCP in my pocket the only "MUST".

I carry a 24/7 Pro C 45 acp (w11 rounds), AIWB as my primary. But truth be told, whenever I'm out and about in public I find keeping my hand resting in my pocket on the grip of the LCP is my "natural" state of being.

I think firearm in which you can continue looking/acting "natural" is one of the keys to a faster/smoother presentation. (Fast is smooth/Smooth is fast)

I believe round capacity is a secondary consideration for the most part because: It doesn't matter if you carry 5 rounds or 15 rounds if you can't be smooth, quick and accurate getting rounds on "YOUR" target before the BG gets rounds on HIS. Being able to get two rounds of 380 from your pocket pistol into the BG first is better than carrying 20 rounds of anything else that you can't get on target before a BG shoots you.

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I'm with everybody else, if you can't hit what you're aiming at then it doesn't matter if you have Jerry Miculek-like speed or even have a boatload of bullets on you. However, to actually answer the question, I believe that getting the gun out fast is more important than round count. If I can get to the J-Frame in my pocket quicker than I can get to my Glock work cross-draw on my side, then the J-Frame is more likely to get me home safe tonight should something go wrong.
 

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Some excellent thought processes here so far.

Here's where I gone with it myself.

I like carrying owb strong side with a mid to full size firearm. I like carrying back pocket as well. Doing both regularly for decades, it required practice to gain presentation speed from under a cover garment. So I took the time to develop speed for both carry methods to the point, either are on par with the other when put on the timer. Just about .90 from concealed for either, but that's increased to that .90 due to lack of practice in drawing as I used to, coupled with old timers disease. :wink:
 

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So today's carry choice is an XD Mod 2 9mm, with 28 rounds on me, AIWB, since it's a trip to the movie theater. 9mm allows 13+1 without printing with today's clothing choice, but, it's not a .45 or .357 mag so that's a trade-off.
 

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We're not interested in what BG/s think, we're interested in what ccw'er who carry concealed believe, where trade offs are discussed between speed of presentation and ammo capacity
I'm having trouble understanding this question. Can you give an example or rephrase it?

As far as speed, I'm reminded of the video posted by Clint Smith where he says 'I don't know of anyone who won't be going fast when involved in an armed conflict. I advise people to 'shoot well'.'

While it's true that deploying a long-barrelled .44 magnum takes longer, most of the time, I think, speed of deployment isn't going to be the limiting factor. Against a bear, or a really big guy I'd pick that and just try to anticipate more quickly. Or I'd carry the .44 magnum in a special rig that allowed faster deployment if that was a serious issue for me.

I think that 99.9% of the time when you may need a firearm, truly, the key limitation will be 'did I bring my firearm with me today, and is it the best option to solve this SD situation?'.

I don't think that I will 'live or die' based on the idea that I carried too few rounds, too small a caliber or carried in a manner that made getting my coat out of the way fast enough a big problem.

BTW I read a thing recently where someone used a jacket with some coins in the pocket taped together so that it made the 'jacket flip' go faster to get to their CC due to that weight load. Pretty clever!
 

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Urban population centers and out and about during the hours of darkness after the sun goes down till when comes up in the morning is not part of my life style. Being retired I'm neither a slave of business attire dress code nor do I have social obligations that require a standard of dress. Basically I conceal carry a S&W MP9c. A compromise in size, capacity (12Rds) and caliber (9mm) carried in a CT Flatline belt holster. On occasion a S&W M640 revolver 38Spl carried in a IWB holster. I also realize things can go to hell in a hurry, no matter time, place and or circumstance. Do I suffer from a false sense of security possibly so. I do maintain awareness. That said am I aware enough, I think so but I could also be fat, dumb and happy. Life is not for the faint of heart.
 
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