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Hey,

As a newbie, how much time should I spend at the range to get/keep proficient at drawing from a concealed carry? How much time do LEOs spend at the range? Is that a good measurement to compare myself to?

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Its not a good measure, most departments have semi annual qualifications. If you want to keep your trigger, sight alignment and sight picture skills up. You can dry practice a couple of times a week and hit the range every other week. About 50-100 rounds will work.
 

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LEOs can spend as little as the annual qualification range time to a few range sessions a week or more.

You do not need to "compare" yourself to anyone. You just need to train and practice enough to be confident in your skills to prevail against the evil you see in everyday life.

I base my training and practice on the belief that I don't want my last thought on this planet to be "I wish I had put a bit more into preperation".
 

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You need to shoot until you are confident that you can safely draw, fire, and reholster your firearm consistently. There is no set "standard" that you must reach before you can venture into the world armed. I strongly recommend seeking a training course. This will give you a strong foundation to build upon. You can never practice too much.
 
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Most ranges that Ive been to, dont let you draw and shoot from the holster quickly. They are basically strictly marksmanship/recreation.

Just going to the range and working on trigger pull, sigt picture, and manipulation of the gun is practice. What are you practicing, though? Are you doing it properly? Safely? Who knows. You need professional training to show you what to practice, and how to do it safely. A self defense scenario isnt going to be a torso-sized target standing 5 yards away, fully squared to you, standing still, with you just aiming and shooting. Its much more dynamic than that.

Sign up for some sort of defensive pistol class, and they will actually train you in self defense scenarios and other fundamentals such as drawing and firing while on the move. Then once you what to do, you can practice that stuff.

The way it was put that made most sense to me was there is a difference between training and practicing. You train to learn what to do, then practice what you train to master it. Going to the range and just shooting a static target with the correct stance, with perfectly aimed shots is nothing more than marksmanship training. While still important, it isnt all of it.

Ive never personally taken a course like this, but plan to when the timing/money is better.
 

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There is also another scenario. Draw, present, then reholster without shooting. At my range training my shooting buddy will yell safe target without warning.
 

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Thanks y'all,

I will be taking a Guns 101 class with my wife (who does not want the class and not looking forward to life with a gun on her sweetheart). The 101 class only covers safe handling of a handgun. Nothing about self defense.

I think there are classes in the JAX area I can inquire about.

Everything important I've ever learned started in a class. Makes sense to go to one for self defense too. Thanks guys for the tips
 

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Train, Train and more training Great for us all. I remember about 5 yrs. ago. In Wisconsin a white tail deer jumped through a barber shop window being chased there by a dog. Deer went nuts inside, Cops were called , Dnr. warden was called,. they both stood out side trying to figure out what to do. well the cop drew his gun and fired 2 full clips, never hit BAMBI. deer jumped out same window and left in a hurry! Yes sir practice pays. On the other hand, practice does not make Perfect but, PERFECT PRACTICE does..
 

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Take a defensive pistol class from a qualified instructor. In your area Scott Whigham comes to mind (see the Florida Concealed Forum) if you want to travel a couple hours, Terry Hall Enterprises trains out of Volusia County Hunt and Gun Club. He's a great instructor also (my wife and I have taken a lot of training with him the past year plus). But, above all, TRAIN for the day when you MUST use your weapon as if your LIFE and the LIVES of others depended on it.
 

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Train until you are comfortable. Most police only shoot to qualify semiannually. At a bare minimum for me would be once a month, and that's pushing it. I like to go about 2-3 times a month, more if I can, but heavy work/school schedules hinder that.

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Was Bambi laughing at the cop? ;-)
 

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I am a bit surprised that LEOs only qual twice/yr. I have been to the indoor range twice/month and want to go more.
 

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...In your area Scott Whigham comes to mind (see the Florida Concealed Forum) ... But, above all, TRAIN for the day when you MUST use your weapon as if your LIFE and the LIVES of others depended on it.
Huge thanks! I will check it out.
 

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Get a super dependable gun, shoot 300 rounds through it. Then learn 'situational awareness' (Don't get into bad situations) .... then spend a few bucks on a training course. Other than SWAT types, I don't think cops train much.
 

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My instructor is a POST certified pistol, rifle & shotgun instructor for a local PD. I am a civilian. I am very fortunate to have a close friend who is also an instructor. He makes his officers train a TON more than most local departments. His advice to me when he first encouraged me to get my CCW was "train as much as you are able to train."

Train draw, re-holster, tap/rack, point of aim, off-hand draw, shooting from cover, everything you can think of and stuff you can't think of that you just happened to read here or on other forums. I even train drawing while seated in my car.
 

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There is also another scenario. Draw, present, then reholster without shooting. At my range training my shooting buddy will yell safe target without warning.
So if I mug you all I have to do is yell "safe target" when you draw and you will instinctivly re-holster your weapon.
 

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To the OP - I would strive to compare yourself to a top NRA instructor or someone who goes to competitions. Not the normal LEO.

Most of the street/patrol LEOs can safely handle the weapon, not shoot themselves or other Peace Officers, but often do not have the same level of skills that most of us (especially prior military combat arms professionals) have. Most will go through a 20+ career and never shoot the weapon in a situation other than training.

It is a numbers game. How many 100,000s full time, part time and reserve LEO exist in the USA? When it comes to Budgets and time = resource commitment for the lowest cost. Training in firearms proficiency only tends to meet the minimum required for liability to the department/office. The exception is those officers who are under Federal or other grant $$ to train for more tactical (SWAT) type of missions. Even then, they call people like ... some of us... in to provide that extra edge. NOTE: My sincere respect to RESERVE LEO who spend a lot of personal time and money (not reimbursed) to back up the community!

The majority of local and state officers are not of military linage at this time. That makes a difference. They have not been, or might never be in a combat situation. Which is AWESOME if they are so blessed!

Go out and make friends that shoot and work to be safe, safe, safe, responsible and accurate.

Hopefully, some of them will be LEO, and also the instructors.

Bury your Butt in Brass!


Note to LEO - no insult intended. As a former Marine who spent some quality time overseas and also teaching LEO, state side, for exchange of free range time and ammo, this is just my opinion.
 

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Good stuff, Anglico, I also have LEO friends, and event federal security/body guard dudes. I have a BIG RESPECT for the thin blue line. I left most of my enemies overseas, the LEOs meet them in our cities everyday.
 

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I have two sons that are P.O.S.T. Graduates. Both of them went through 1500 rounds in about 6 weeks. At the end of that they both had a good basic education. They were both better shooters, But still only had a basic understanding of safe firearms handling. They were only trained on that one handgun, and only the 870 shotgun. As a LEO they have to handle many guns and learn to make them safe. So round count alone isnt going to get you all you need. Check out a variaty of classes. After Your 101 class, check into a class aimed at basic marksmanship. DR
 

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I am a bit surprised that LEOs only qual twice/yr. I have been to the indoor range twice/month and want to go more.
As I recall, Chicago Police must qualify only once a year, and that qualification consists of firing 30 rounds at un-scorded targets where they only need to hit the paper 21 out of thirty shots.
 
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