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I'm traveling to northern California tomorrow with my family, via flying. I've had my KS concealed carry license for 5 years or so. Obviously California is one of the worst states for any sort of out of state permit (they do not honor my permit, nor others). I know I can't conceal carry there, which bugs me to hell - but that's a different topic.

I'm assuming that I can't check a handgun at the airport, because I'll then be breaking the law the second that I land in northern California. Do I have this right, or can I check something and leave it locked?

Assuming that I have this right - is there anything that I can bring other than a pocketknife (in the checked luggage obviously, not carry-on). And, of course situational awareness.

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Do not take a gun to California. :gah:

Maybe a small pocketknife in checked baggage. :hand10:

I have carried a cane on numerous flights. :image035:

Here’s a good resource: Handgunlaw
 

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Normally when I fly to California I actually fly in and out of Medford Oregon, it depends what you mean by "Northern California." I have to agree with the other, unless you are there for the purpose of competitive shooting just don't do it (and then the organization will provide guidance).
 

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As irritating and frustrating as California may be do not take a firearm into California - pretty simple especially since California and Kansas are not reciprocal. It's not worth the chance.
 

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Do as you will; avoid getting caught. Otherwise, things get ugly.

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Do as you will; avoid getting caught. Otherwise, things get ugly.
No, please no.

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I got a simple solution.
Just do not go.
Find somewhere else to go with the family.
If going to visit family. Pay for them to fly to you.
My wife wants to do more travelling in the next couple of years as we are now empty nester's.
As soon as our beloved dog Scout passes on, wants to go to Europe.
I have never been away from my CC pistol for more than a few days.
I expressed concern I may not be able to walk properly without the extra weight on my hip.
 

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Normally when I fly to California I actually fly in and out of Medford Oregon, it depends what you mean by "Northern California." I have to agree with the other, unless you are there for the purpose of competitive shooting just don't do it (and then the organization will provide guidance).
I live just north of Medford. (For another 3 weeks). When I go south to visit grandkids or family, just the feeling of crossing the stateline is a little "Puckering". Most of northern Kalifornia is very conservative. They are part of the Break away movement. The guys who man the booths on Kalifornia's side have never asked me if I am carrying.
 

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So here's the lowdown! When you say Northern CA, Are we talking the bay area? That would make a difference.

For most of CA not including the San Francisco bay area, We are very gun tolerant. You can not carry without a permit. And you are not going to get a Non Resident permit unless you are someone with political pull.
But, you can have a loaded gun in your home [ or hotel room]. It's much easier to carry a knife, and pepper spray. No permit needed. The knife should be the same or smaller than a 112 Buck.
You can fly with a gun in your checked bag. Don't bring in more than 50 rounds of ammo, or any mags that will hold more than 10 rounds. There are more rules if you are landing or taking off in San Francisco, or any of its attached city's. Ill add a link to the Attny Generals site that spells out CA law but not SF law.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms

About half way down the page you will find a column for Traveling in CA with a firearm. Pay special attn to the prohibition on having a gun in the Glovebox or Console, even if they are locked! There is one other that you should know about. If a LEO asks if you have any weapons, You then have to disclose even your unloaded locked guns that are in the trunk. The officer may ask you to open the container, so that he can verify that it is unloaded. You must comply.

As a traveler, its sometimes easier to pick up an inexpensive knife and pepper spray here. They are sold cheaply in most convenience stores.

I personally avoid the Bay Area. The rest of the state has good and bad areas, You will instantly know just by looking around which you are in. Most will welcome you, Most places are safe for families. Enjoy your time here. Good Luck DR
 

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It is perfect legal as noted to have a gun in CA even if you dont live there ..They dont need a permit to own one .And yes even one not on there safe list I think are still fine to have there ..Of course note that 410 whellguns not legal there ( they class them as SBS) stuff like AK pistols etc not legal or any thing that mets there AWB list ie threaded barrel no go unless welded over and of course no over 10 round mags ..Me If I was brining a gun would bring something that would only hold 10 easily like a whell gun etc

They are frankly less confusing in laws then peper spray and esp Knifes ( knife law there as noted is tricky )

Danger has some good advice for sure .....


Not a lawyer though

Also note a lot of CA is having shutdowns and such due to the COVID so ......
 
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Do not take a gun to California. :gah:

Maybe a small pocketknife in checked baggage. :hand10:

I have carried a cane on numerous flights. :image035:

Here’s a good resource: Handgunlaw
In the attached Handgun Us pdf if I'm reading it correctly, you can transport into Cali provided its unloaded, locked, cased, out of reach etc.
As far as being loaded in a place of dwelling, (hotel, home) I didn't see anything in the article for that, but I've heard that its legal.
I'm curious to why you'd say don't take one in, if its not illegal?
At least you'd be armed from Kansas, to the state line, and back again.
Unless you were only referring to flying. In which case, what would make the difference?

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Last time I went to California was 1995. I don't recall losing anything there so I really have no reason to go back.

I wish I could figure out a way to keep Californians from coming to Colorado. I really don't care about those who bring guns with them, but too many want to bring their politics along when they move here.
 

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I live just north of Medford. (For another 3 weeks). When I go south to visit grandkids or family, just the feeling of crossing the stateline is a little "Puckering". Most of northern Kalifornia is very conservative. They are part of the Break away movement. The guys who man the booths on Kalifornia's side have never asked me if I am carrying.
I normally go to Yreka, visiting family. Sometimes I go as far south as Chico.

What I call Northern California is quite a bit north of what most people are thinking of.
 

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If I can't Carry my Weapon, I just don't go there. My Sister Lives in LA, and I haven't seen her for more than 20 yrs. My 2 Sons live in NY, and If they want to see me they come to Florida.
 

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I normally go to Yreka, visiting family. Sometimes I go as far south as Chico.

What I call Northern California is quite a bit north of what most people are thinking of.
That's pretty much what I think of as Northern CA. North of Redding! But a good many think Northern CA starts in Fresno!
 

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Wow, I wouldn't go there I always avoid going but if I just had to go I will leave my gun home, but now if I had to pass through there I will obey their laws and as soon I get out of there I will reload.
 

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Generally speaking, throughout the USA, you can fly with an unloaded handgun in a locked container. Ammunition can also be in that same locked container although it cannot be inserted inside the handgun in a firing position. Prudence suggests that the ammunition not be in the same locked container as the handgun (to not aggravate an overly sensitive TSA agent.) You could put the handgun in a metal locked box inside your suitcase, or you could wrap your handgun in a t-shirt with all your clothing in a locked Pelican or Storm hard plastic case often used by photographers. If traveling in an automobile, the above two methods can be kept in the passenger area. If in a brown paper bag or wrapped in a shop towel, the handgun could be kept UNLOADED in the locked trunk of the car. All would be legal although the LEO would definitely look more suspiciously at a handgun wrapped in a shop rag...

If you're in any place that you can call "home" like a hotel room or a parked motor home, the handgun can be readily available and loaded, consistent with how you can keep it in your brick and mortar home.

Here are some excerpts from a CA firearm-specialist lawyer's website:

Penal Code 25400 PC is the California statute that makes it a crime for a person to carry a concealed firearm either on his person, or in a vehicle.
Carrying a concealed gun is a crime no matter if it is loaded, or unloaded.
https://www.shouselaw.com/25400.html

Penal Code 26350 PC is the California statute that makes it a crime to openly carry an unloaded firearm, and do so in a public area.
https://www.shouselaw.com/open-carry.html

Penal Code 26500 PC is the California law that makes it a misdemeanor to sell, lease or transfer firearms, and do so without a valid permit.
It is a separate violation under this law for every gun that a person sells, leases, or transfers without a permit.
https://www.shouselaw.com/firearm-illegal-sale.html#3

Penal Code 25850 PC is the California statute that makes it a crime for a person to carry a loaded firearm in public or in a vehicle.

The code section states:

“A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when the person carries a loaded firearm on the person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in a prohibited area of unincorporated territory.”

Examples:

  • driving on a public street with a loaded revolver in the glovebox. NO!
  • walking through a park with a loaded shotgun in a backpack. NO!
  • strolling through a neighborhood with a loaded gun in a pocket. NO!
Defenses

A person can fight a 25850 PC charge by asserting a legal defense. A few common defenses are no knowledge of carrying a firearm, firearm not loaded, exempt from the law, and/or illegal search and seizure.
Penalties

Carrying a loaded firearm in public is a misdemeanor. The penalties include custody in county jail for up to one year, and/or a maximum fine of $1,000.
Note, though, that aggravating factors can make the crime a wobbler offense. This means a prosecutor can charge the offense as either a misdemeanor or a felony.
 

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I flew in and out of LA last summer with a pistol in my checked bag. The airline held the bag at the baggage counter, (a Delta thing) but there was no legal issue. DO NOT try and fly out of NY with a pistol! There is a good chance that you will be arrested and your gun confiscated.
 

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I've visited there one time 18 years ago only because I had to. There's no way I'll leave my gun at home to please a bunch of sorry ass liberals. I'm retired now and there's no reason for me to ever go there again.
 
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