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Had a quick look over Marshall - not sure at first glance whether much needs added or changed. Seems very nicely covered.

May I suggest you take a peek at something else tho - which may be of interest. Guy on THR not so long ago put together a chart type deal with a lot of small guns and it does give some quite handy representative comparisons. It went thru several incarnations but IIRC the one I show is pretty much his latest.

It is on my R9 FAQ site and this is the relevent page. You'll see a link to a PDF file - the pic on that page is only for starters, as definition not brilliant.
 

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What about the ORIGINAL pocket gun... the Derringer. I don't see it mentioned anymore. Where can you get a major defense caliber, like .38, 9mm or .45 in a gun the size of a Kel Tec. While it may have fewer shots compared to the semi-autos or revolvers, it's much more concealable than 99% of them and I would not feel unarmed with two shot's of 9mm or even .45 in my pocket. Also, they can be purchased for as little as $100 in most cases. I've had a Davis .32 for over 15 years and NEVER had a malfunction. The gun is simplicity itself and takes 2 seconds to break down for cleaning or relaoding. I almost bought another last month in 9mm, but was talked into buying a KT P3AT instead. I like the KT, but it cost twice as much as the Derringer and a derringer never has a FTF/FTE problem or lost mags. Something to consider!

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Shucks - I had not given consideration to Derringers so yeah - they certainly could feature and then as Al mentions - the Thunder .380. I have one (well - wife has ''taken it over''!) - but in the right pocket that can disappear.

Perhaps the rear pocket test is a little harsh, as so much depends on pants style - plus, my wife can carry the Bersa very nicely this time of year in the big front pocket of a ''hoodie'' sweatshirt/fleece type deal.
 

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I have one requirement for a pocket gun.

It must have ability to be fired repeated times from a pocket.

My choice is an internal hammer revolver. My gun is a S&W 642.
 

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How the heck do you go about getting one of these R-9's? They are rare!!!
 

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R9's are not so much just rare tho yeah - not too many around yet - maybe 800 or so. But there is quite a long waiting list, unless you hit lucky with a dealer who has just got some in.

Main deal is cost - very expensive gun at now IIRC over $1k. I have not regretted getting mine - one very early one, now safe queen - and a second for carry (BUG usually).


 

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"There are also those who claim that Smith and Wesson Ultralight J-frame revolvers can be pocket guns. Some of them are definitely light enough. For example the 342 Airlite Titanium weighs only 12 ounces, and carries five .38 special cartridges. However the j-frame revolvers are really too long (6.5 inches) and thick (1.3 inches) to be true pocket pistols."

I disagree. I carry my 340PD in my pocket every day. Maybe you need deeper pockets. :D
 

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Of course it's a personal thing...

My pockets can't even hold the P-11, let alone a S&W 340Pd, much as I love that revolver!

If your pockets are big enough, and you don't mind the weight swishing back and forth on your leg, then more power to you!
 

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I wear a S&W 342PD in a Safariland pocket holster in 511, dress trousers and PJ's. To me this works but will also this will not work for someone with fairly tight jeans.

To me the 342 is a true pocket gun since it meets my requirements.

I have to agree with you on a full size 1911 can not be considered a pocket gun unless you are a vary tall and large person :eek:
 

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The R9 is excellent, lucky P95. Here's hoping the KT can beef up a wee bit for it too. The AMD 45 Backup was a good one too.
 

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I went to the Tampa gunshow on Sunday were there were a few sellers of the R9's....not cheap though.
 

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J frames NOT fit for pocket holsters???!! I think you need to research that a bit more, sir. I am not trying to falem you or be disrespectful.
At least one state issues J frames for off side front pocket carry for their troopers.
Guys from the size of 5'9" Massad Ayoob to 6'7" Bill Jordan carry (past tense for Mr.Jordan) J frames in the left hand front pocket.
I have carried a 442 for 12 years, a M60 or a 642 for 4 years and a CA Off Duty before that for 5 years. I carried a 3" 632 when wearing Dockers for a few years it worked great.
J frame sized guns are pocket guns with the right attire and holsters. I have carried mine in everything from jeans to dress slacks in jobs from construction to banking.
J frames are the standard by which I measure all other pocket pistols.


Nice site just the same.
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One of my reasons for choosing a pocket gun would not be one that you can shoot in your pants pocket.I can't even imagine having to do that. In a loose fitting coat,jacket,or vest,with large pockets, is something else. Take a look at the specs of the little KelTec .32's and especially the .380's. Remembering that thickness of weapon really counts for a pocket piece.For the overall size(dementions) weight,and firepower, is their anything smaller ?? --------
 

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I like my AMT 45. A little thick, but having 5+1 .45 is comforting. Usually resides in a pocket holster in the lower zipper pocket of my Dockers.
 

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I own many of the above mentioned pistols. I can and do carry the PM-9 in a front pocket (loose fit blue jeans). My Keltec P-11 would fit,but I think was too big. When comparing my 442 to my PM-9, the auto is slimmer and to me, less noticable. Now, if I can get my hands on a R-9, I might buy it. I just can't spend 1K without even holding one.
 

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J Frame a bit too large

I know that some people swear by a J Frame in the pocket, and insist that it is a pocket pistol. But consider, the S&W 342PD Titanium is both bigger (though lighter) in all three dimensions than a Kel-Tec P-11, which is already too big to carry unobtrusively in a pocket (at least in MY pockets). I maintain that if you carry a J-Frame in your pocket you have mighty big pockets, and that people will see it and know what you have. But, to each his own! America, it's a great country!
 

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No revolver, with its cylinder bulge, can win the thin award like the R9 or P3-AT. Although ease of concealment and draw favor the slim pistol, the revolver has other advantages in power, reliability, and control. Those are the advantages of the primary, too. If one gun had to fulfill both pocket and primary roles, the wheelgun would win.
 

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Marshall...you buy your cloths, so it is up to you to make sure the cloths you buy allow proper carry.
 
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