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It seems like this is two seperate issues.

1. Abery was definitely not on the fast track to the Good Citizen Award, we can all agree to that.

2. The McMichaels started something they never should have and now will face a jury to determine what the rest of their lives will look like.

#1 and #2 are mutually exclusive because the McMichaels couldn't have known about Abrey's past.
 

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It seems like this is two seperate issues.

1. Abery was definitely not on the fast track to the Good Citizen Award, we can all agree to that.

2. The McMichaels started something they never should have and now will face a jury to determine what the rest of their lives will look like.

#1 and #2 are mutually exclusive because the McMichaels couldn't have known about Abrey's past.
Not one, not two, but yes, three stupids. There oughtta be a law...
 

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Hard enough to believe you're defending a proven low-life criminal......but even harder to believe you're defending the mob rule that has come to sometimes control our legal system and even end the careers of good cops.

But, that's your choice.

Anyhow, here's a story on this thug's felony......he's pretty sharp, because somewhere along the way he altered his name just a little so it would be harder for folks to research his crimes.

Notice that in this crime his solution was running.......just like his latest and FINAL crime of burglary. He's quite a runner.

I'll copy/paste a bit of it here because some may not be able to get past the newspaper subscription wall in the link.



Avery, or Arbery or whatever he is now calling himself, is clearly a career criminal tragically cut down in the early stages of a promising career.

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/police-arrest-four-in-span-of-an-hour/article_23db5ae1-9e5d-519e-a683-c1a216c042c0.html
:deadhorse::deadhorse:........You need a :grouphug:
 

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Also interesting......with humor.

These two guys are even more interesting than Officer Tatum and they also offer a helpful primer on the difference between a fact and an opinion.

That should be a big help for more than a few people.

My OPINION is that a lot of white people are afraid to state the truth because they're afraid of being called racist.

(That opinion could even be a fact.)

 

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This may be the best analysis based on what limited information is currently available AND what the law states. Like many of us have said from the beginning, wait and see what comes out. This is going to be a messy one. This is probably going to cost those two lots of money and maybe a big chunk of their remaining lives as things look right now. Time will tell.
 

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Ben Shapiro talks too fast for my old damaged ears to keep up with. Lucky there is closed captioning for this video. This will probably boil down to jury selection and if they will be influenced by lawyers or facts.
 

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All I can say about Shapiro is ........:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Jogger? I have to laugh. Zero evidence that he's out jogging. Zero. His shoes and clothing are not jogging attire and he is never once seen actually jogging.

Oft played video shows that the convicted felon Arbery (or Avery, whichever name he was currently using) comes walking (not jogging) down the street, pauses in front of the house........carefully looks both ways to see if he's being observed, then.......RUNS into the house.

Then......when a neighbor comes out and challenges him he again......RUNS and vanishes down the street.

So......no evidence for jogging on tape.......only running from (fleeing) the scene of a crime. Crime? Yes, under Georgia law his actions show guilt......he was caught casing the place. Under Georgia law that's a felony.

And incredibly strange........nobody mentions that in the video the guy making the video swerves in order to show that Avery/Arbery has ditched two things on the street.......one is not identifiable, but the second is clearly a hammer (these would be either stolen from the house or burglary tools that he was carrying). Funny they haven't been mentioned. The police undoubtedly have them but are not talking.

You can be they will be mentioned at the grand jury hearing.

The fact that he rounds the passenger side of the truck and makes a sharp turn to hit the man with the shotgun at full speed is not mentioned.

This (the only act of aggression on the tape) is clear and obvious from the picture.

Was there a motive to attack the man trying to make the arrest? Yes.......Arbery/Avery was guilty of a felony that he knew would be his second probation violation for his gun charge.......meaning he was headed for prison unless he managed somehow to kill these two guys who had chased him down.

Oh, Shapiro.......your Liberal roots are showing. Your attempt to cover for Arbery/Avery is laughable.
 

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Frostbite, it makes no difference if he was jogging or running down the street in a dress, that's not breaking the law.

You say he was casing the place. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't...we'll never know because he's dead.

Given his past history, he may have been up to no good, but at the time he was shot, he wasn't breaking any laws and had nothing in his hands.

This has nothing to do with white guilt, it has to do with being color blind and just looking solely at the facts.

Let me ask you something, since you brought up race. If this had been a white guy running (jogging...whatever) down a street and 2 black guys hopped in a truck, followed him, confronted him and then shot him...would you be so adamant that the black guys were in the right to do that?
 

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Frostbite, it makes no difference if he was jogging or running down the street in a dress, that's not breaking the law.

You say he was casing the place. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't...we'll never know because he's dead.

Given his past history, he may have been up to no good, but at the time he was shot, he wasn't breaking any laws and had nothing in his hands.

This has nothing to do with white guilt, it has to do with being color blind and just looking solely at the facts.

Let me ask you something, since you brought up race. If this had been a white guy running (jogging...whatever) down a street and 2 black guys hopped in a truck, followed him, confronted him and then shot him...would you be so adamant that the black guys were in the right to do that?
Frostbite please answer her question with a yes or no.
 

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This may be the best analysis based on what limited information is currently available AND what the law states. Like many of us have said from the beginning, wait and see what comes out. This is going to be a messy one. This is probably going to cost those two lots of money and maybe a big chunk of their remaining lives as things look right now. Time will tell.
This too........is totally bogus.

Arbery/Avery was followed because he ran from a house when challenged by a neighbor. That shows guilt. This is fact.

He was chased because he fled. This is warranted under Georgia law.

He was asked to stop. Instead he attacked. Under Georgia law this makes him the aggressor.........no one attacked him.......he was the attacker and first act of aggession.

Motive? He knew this was his second probation violation and would send him to prison. His brother had been in prison and he knew he didn't want that. The police were on the way. He had to kill the pursuers and vanish and he had to do it quickly.

He had ditched two items on the road as he ran and he knew the police would find them........just like they found the gun he ditched on his felony gun offense as a 19-year-old.

He knew he was toast.......thus he made a desperate attempt to escape.
 

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Frostbite please answer her question with a yes or no.
The answer is obviously yes. If the circumstances are the same.........yes is the only answer.

I would not recommend stopping a felon, but I'm not going to tell two grown men to ignore a felon in their own neighborhood either.

They were totally within their rights legally and defending their home neighborhood. Who is justified to condemn them for that?
 

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The answer is obviously yes. If the circumstances are the same.........yes is the only answer.

I would not recommend stopping a felon, but I'm not going to tell two grown men to ignore a felon in their own neighborhood either.

They were totally within their rights legally and defending their home neighborhood. Who is justified to condemn them for that?
How did they know he was a "felon"?
 

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Frostbite, it makes no difference if he was jogging or running down the street in a dress, that's not breaking the law.

You say he was casing the place. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't...we'll never know because he's dead.

Given his past history, he may have been up to no good, but at the time he was shot, he wasn't breaking any laws and had nothing in his hands.

This has nothing to do with white guilt, it has to do with being color blind and just looking solely at the facts.

Let me ask you something, since you brought up race. If this had been a white guy running (jogging...whatever) down a street and 2 black guys hopped in a truck, followed him, confronted him and then shot him...would you be so adamant that the black guys were in the right to do that?
If it had been 2 black guys shooting a white guy?.. You would have never heard about it except, maybe a local news blurb about a shooting with no race mentioned.

Prime example...how many here are outraged over this incident? Did you even know about it??

Salisbury News: Black Male Hunts & Assassinates Elderly White Couple In Delaware Cemetery With Scoped Rifle

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/05/10/delaware-cemetery-shooting-latest-suspect-identified-sheldon-francis/
 
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