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FOXNews.com - Typo in Law Establishes Mandate to Lock Gun-Toting Train Passengers in Boxes

Updated December 16, 2009
Typo in Law Establishes Mandate to Lock Gun-Toting Train Passengers in Boxes

By Chad Pergram

- FOXNews.com

Because of a typo, President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey

Harry Houdini made a career escaping from locked boxes. So did David Copperfield and Doug Henning.

And now, add to that list Amtrak passengers packing heat in their luggage?

It may sound absurd. But President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey.

It's a mistake in the law's wording. But for now, the clerical error is the law of the land.

Earlier this week, Congress sent the president a massive spending bill that funded dozens of federal departments. Tucked into the transportation section of the legislation are safety requirements for Amtrak customers who carry firearms on board the government-backed train system. The bill Congress passed mandates that passengers with firearms declare they have weapons with them in advance and stow them in locked boxes while on the train.

The bill text was correct when the House approved the legislation last week. The Senate followed suit Sunday, but somewhere along the line, the language that referred to putting the guns in locked boxes morphed into stuffing "passengers" into locked boxes.

Aides to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., became aware of the problem Wednesday night as the House voted on its final slate of bills for the year. Pelosi's staff tried to negotiate with Republican aides to see if they would agree to change the text of the bill without revoting the entire piece of legislation. But it was all for naught as Obama had already signed the measure into law.

It's clear the typo alters the legislation's mandate. But no one quite knows the origin of the mistake.

Senior Congressional sources familiar with the error suggested the problem may have been introduced in the "enrolling" process of bills. Once both the House and Senate approve the final version of a bill, the text of the legislation is sent to an "enrolling clerk" who actually copies the bill onto parchment paper. The parchment version of the package is then sent to the White House for the president to sign into law.

Another theory is that the mistake could be something as simple as a printing error. The House and Senate run multiple versions of bills before they send the final copy to the White House to become law. Another possibility is that Congress sent President Obama the wrong, non-proofed version of the bill to sign.

The misfire is fixable. But probably not until early next year. The House late Wednesday completed what it expects to be its final session of the year. The Senate remains in session debating health care reform. But both the House and Senate would have to agree to a technical correction of the text that missed its mark.

The error is reminiscent of $289 billion farm bill President Bush vetoed in May, 2008. In that instance, both houses of Congress inadvertently sent Bush an incomplete bill, leaving out a 35-page chunk. The president then vetoed an incomplete bill. Congress discovered the error when lawmakers attempted to override the president's veto.

In that case, House re-passed the entire farm bill and overrode Bush's veto.

"This bill is one of the most-passed bills we've done," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., quipped at the time.

The rules to allow Amtrak passengers to carry weapons with them are new. Airline passengers have long been permitted to transport weapons in checked luggage. But Amtrak banned firearms from its trains after Sept. 11. Only police officers are now allowed to board Amtrak trains with guns.

Rep. John Fleming and Sen. Roger Wicker, both Mississippi Republicans, are the primary advocates of the Amtrak gun provision.
Something strangely ironic about this. Probably what O wants to do to gun-types anyway...lock 'em away.
 

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silly people...
Someone should try this and sue for kidnapping...
 

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Well the way I see it, a train is a box (hints a boxcar), so you can now carry on trains.:spankme::rofl:
 

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Now let's figure this out...this is the same group trying to get our country out of this 'fall' into a giant pit of debt?:ticking:
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Yeah right...:ziplip:
 

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My wife takes a trip to Chicago about once a year via train to see her sister. I never join her, it is a way of making things even for when I head out of town to hunt.

I've never shared my reasons included #1 train does not allow CC, #2 Chicago does not allow CC.

Guess #3, I don't want to be locked up.
 

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I'm gonna break.....I'm gonna break my....... I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run!
 

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Doesn't surprise me. Nobody reads these bills they sign anyway. :twak:
 

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This is what happens when everyone from the bottom to the top from congress critters to POTUS don't READ the bills. It should be a requirement for the job. Don't read the bill before signing? Fine... You're now convicted of dereliction of duty and forthwith resign from your office.

For those that complain about the bills being far too long(1000's of pages)...great! Now you know what you need to FIX!:rolleyes:
 

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Now just imagine the fun the main stream media (purposely not capitalized) would have had if it had been Bush who signed the bill into law.
 

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Well I guess the intention of the bill is good, seeing as it changes from NO firearms to airline style...but seriously, who is going to hijack a train? You can carry on other forms public transportation like buses.

Funny typo. I agree. Train car = locked box
 

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Anybody wanna try to be the test case for either "A train car is a box" and or "Cruel and unusual punishment/Civil rights (back of the bus) by being stored in a crate for your trip"?

I'm borderline claustrophobic, but I might be able to swing a 4' x 4' x 4' or 2' x 3' x 6.5' crate for a few hours, providing there is no extra charge for oversize luggage.
 

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Well, look on the bright side, at least we can just shoot our way out of the boxes.... :rofl:
 

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Amtrak will lock you in a box!

Dec. 21, 2009

By Chad Pergram

- FOXNews.com

Because of a typo, President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey

Harry Houdini made a career escaping from locked boxes. So did David Copperfield and Doug Henning.

And now, add to that list Amtrak passengers packing heat in their luggage?

It may sound absurd. But President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey.

It’s a mistake in the law’s wording. But for now, the clerical error is the law of the land.

Earlier this week, Congress sent the president a massive spending bill that funded dozens of federal departments. Tucked into the transportation section of the legislation are safety requirements for Amtrak customers who carry firearms on board the government-backed train system. The bill Congress passed mandates that passengers with firearms declare they have weapons with them in advance and stow them in locked boxes while on the train.

The bill text was correct when the House approved the legislation last week. The Senate followed suit Sunday, but somewhere along the line, the language that referred to putting the guns in locked boxes morphed into stuffing “passengers” into locked boxes.

Aides to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., became aware of the problem Wednesday night as the House voted on its final slate of bills for the year. Pelosi’s staff tried to negotiate with Republican aides to see if they would agree to change the text of the bill without revoting the entire piece of legislation. But it was all for naught as Obama had already signed the measure into law.

It’s clear the typo alters the legislation’s mandate. But no one quite knows the origin of the mistake.

Senior Congressional sources familiar with the error suggested the problem may have been introduced in the “enrolling” process of bills. Once both the House and Senate approve the final version of a bill, the text of the legislation is sent to an “enrolling clerk” who actually copies the bill onto parchment paper. The parchment version of the package is then sent to the White House for the president to sign into law.

Another theory is that the mistake could be something as simple as a printing error. The House and Senate run multiple versions of bills before they send the final copy to the White House to become law. Another possibility is that Congress sent President Obama the wrong, non-proofed version of the bill to sign.

The misfire is fixable. But probably not until early next year. The House late Wednesday completed what it expects to be its final session of the year. The Senate remains in session debating health care reform. But both the House and Senate would have to agree to a technical correction of the text that missed its mark.

The law, though, states that Amtrak has six months to implement the policy. So it’s unlikely that any gun-toting passengers would have to travel in a box.

The error is reminiscent of $289 billion farm bill President Bush vetoed in May, 2008. In that instance, both houses of Congress inadvertently sent Bush an incomplete bill, leaving out a 35-page chunk. The president then vetoed an incomplete bill. Congress discovered the error when lawmakers attempted to override the president’s veto.

In that case, House re-passed the entire farm bill and overrode Bush’s veto.

“This bill is one of the most-passed bills we’ve done,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., quipped at the time.

The rules to allow Amtrak passengers to carry weapons with them are new. Airline passengers have long been permitted to transport weapons in checked luggage. But Amtrak banned firearms from its trains after Sept. 11. Only police officers are now allowed to board Amtrak trains with guns.

Rep. John Fleming and Sen. Roger Wicker, both Mississippi Republicans, are the primary advocates of the Amtrak gun provision.


Typo in Law Establishes Mandate to Lock Gun-Toting Train Passengers in Boxes Socialism is not the Answer :rofl:
 

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Some, if not all, elected folks in Washington DC are asleep at the wheel.
 

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who is going to be the first one to demand to be shown the boxes they will be locked in? Its the law now, so amtrack is going to have to provide somekind of person sized box for us.

Even if it was written as intended the law is BS. How long do you think it would be before the amtrak employee who is supposed to assist you with this task accidentally shoots someone because they don't know how to handle a firearm. That would give them an excuse to ban them all together on the train.

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I personally hope the procedure for loading us onto and off the train in this box is similar to the opening scene of Jurassic park complete with guards with caddle prods, shotguns and an Australian man ready to yell "shoot her" if we pull one of the guards in.
 

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Whatever happened to the 3rd branch of government Judicial. Shouldn't the judicial branch immediately invalidate the entire bill as part of it is unconstitutional? Oh wait, I forgot, they don't give a rat's behind about the constitution....
 
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