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An object lesson in the problem with State's Rights. Congress needs to compose and then pass a 2A protection act.

That said, if you want your kid to learn to shoot and start that process out with a 22lr, you have many better
options than something dressed up to look like a weapon of war.

The issue on one side is cosmetics, but on the other side the issue is similar to the subtle messages of violence embedded in video games, tv shows, and movies.
 

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This brings a few points to mind for me:

1) This is why we should not post anything gun related on facebook. I have a facebook account, I don't post much on it but when I do it typically is something like the awesome handmade pizza I just baked or something along those lines.

2) I can't believe I'm saying this but, this is an example of when I'm glad the ACLU is around. I hate them 90% of the time, but for as many bad things as I can say about them, one undeniable truth is that they will literally get behind any cause if someone's rights have been violated.

3) Seriously, don't the police have bigger fish to fry? As far as it goes on social/child protective services, I can't remember ever hearing a story where they did something useful. A friend of mine is a domestic violence counselor who works mainly with abused women and children, the stories of ineptitude by CPS she has seen are sickening.
 

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It should be illegal for an officer of a public agency to refuse to show identification.
I see your point to an extent, but that raises other issues like a bad guy being able to force all undercover narcotics cops at the scene of his arrest to fully identify themselves.
 

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An object lesson in the problem with State's Rights. Congress needs to compose and then pass a 2A protection act.

That said, if you want your kid to learn to shoot and start that process out with a 22lr, you have many better
options than something dressed up to look like a weapon of war.

The issue on one side is cosmetics, but on the other side the issue is similar to the subtle messages of violence embedded in video games, tv shows, and movies.
Definitely agree on the desire for a national law or constitutional amendment further protecting the right to keep and bear arms.

I disagree on the state's rights issue, but we pretty much killed that one on another thread just recently. We certainly don't need to beat a dead horse here.

I also disagree the gun for training - I agree that this may not be the best choice for appearances, but that shouldn't matter. A father has every right in the world to train his son as he sees fit without government intrusion. As long as the child is safe, it is irrelevant to the rest of the world what gun the father selected to use.
 

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Apples and oranges. Someone demanding to go in your house should show credentials, or be replaced by someone who will represent the agency. In any case, the Police should have a record of who this person was.
 

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Good for the Dad....Stick up for your rights! All that over a picture thinking it was child endangerment. WOW! Another waste of our taxpayer's MONEY! I like how the police always state that you must be hiding something if you won't consent to search! "What have you got to hide?" A non issue since it is your right.
 

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An object lesson in the problem with State's Rights. Congress needs to compose and then pass a 2A protection act.

That said, if you want your kid to learn to shoot and start that process out with a 22lr, you have many better
options than something dressed up to look like a weapon of war.

The issue on one side is cosmetics, but on the other side the issue is similar to the subtle messages of violence embedded in video games, tv shows, and movies.
Uh, well, no... that's just absurd. The fact that you are promoting the mentality that if a firearm "looks" evil, it deserves to be treated in a manner that basically amounts to guilty until proven innocent says tons (about what, I will let each individual decide). If the child was making threats against his school or individuals then a response would be deserved. If he was acting in a dangerous manner and walking around pointing it at people then a response would be deserved. A posed picture of a young man safely holding a rifle should not create an armed intrusion by law enforcement and CPS (who seem to feel that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to what they need to do).

With all the blatantly unconstitutional acts being committed by the "state" in that story, I find it difficult to believe that focusing on the child, or the .22, or the father's actions is even remotely worth bringing up as being part of the problem.
 

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Oh......you fellas are not use to this type of stuff....I forgot....this is New Jersey and we have our own brand of firearms laws here not like the rest of the country....but if the Dems have their way, you'll be living what we here in NJ have been since the dawn of man. And by the way, one of NJ's new ideas before the NJ Senate to be voted on...is every individual apprlying for a firearms permit need go before a Psychologist for a psyciahtric evaluation first......Oh ya don't like that either ? Hmmmmm....
 

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Definitely agree on the desire for a national law or constitutional amendment further protecting the right to keep and bear arms.

I disagree on the state's rights issue, but we pretty much killed that one on another thread just recently. We certainly don't need to beat a dead horse here.

I also disagree the gun for training - I agree that this may not be the best choice for appearances, but that shouldn't matter. A father has every right in the world to train his son as he sees fit without government intrusion. As long as the child is safe, it is irrelevant to the rest of the world what gun the father selected to use.
As far as rights and law, we are in agreement. The dad did nothing wrong and should have been left alone.
What I was getting at is that I think he used rather poor judgment in choice of training gun for an 11 year old.

Then there is the matter of adding camo to the pic. Well, cute pic of course, but you can teach your kid
to shoot for sport, for hunting, whatever, without bringing him into the imaginary realm of "combat soldier."
BTW, whatever happened to hunter's orange? What's the deal with camo this and camo that? Its like
our police and their tacticool toys mimicking an infantry division. At some point all those visuals DO influence
the rest of one's mind set.
 

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Oh......you fellas are not use to this type of stuff....I forgot....this is New Jersey and we have our own brand of firearms laws here not like the rest of the country....but if the Dems have their way, you'll be living what we here in NJ have been since the dawn of man. And by the way, one of NJ's new ideas before the NJ Senate to be voted on...is every individual apprlying for a firearms permit need go before a Psychologist for a psyciahtric evaluation first......Oh ya don't like that either ? Hmmmmm....
Find a home in a free state!

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Then there is the matter of adding camo to the pic. Well, cute pic of course, but you can teach your kid
to shoot for sport, for hunting, whatever, without bringing him into the imaginary realm of "combat soldier."
BTW, whatever happened to hunter's orange? What's the deal with camo this and camo that? Its like
our police and their tacticool toys mimicking an infantry division. At some point all those visuals DO influence
the rest of one's mind set.
Have you been shopping in the boy's department lately? Camo is mainstream fashion for boys and girls. It is very likely that those are his everyday school clothes.

Why do you insist on making this the fault of the family, when it is very clear that their local government over-stepped its bounds?
 

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That said, if you want your kid to learn to shoot and start that process out with a 22lr, you have many better
options than something dressed up to look like a weapon of war.
After reading some of your posts, I honestly have to wonder whose side you're on. A "weapon of war?" Seriously?" In an age when the public school system is doing their best to condition children to run screaming from any object even vaguely shaped like a gun, you really think this way?

I think it's far better to educate children by explaining to them and showing them that an "assault" rifle is constituted by nothing more than a bunch of plastic, cosmetic parts, and taking the "glamor" out of it.
 

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After reading some of your posts, I honestly have to wonder whose side you're on. A "weapon of war?" Seriously?" In an age when the public school system is doing their best to condition children to run screaming from any object even vaguely shaped like a gun, you really think this way?

I think it's far better to educate children by explaining to them and showing them that an "assault" rifle is constituted by nothing more than a bunch of plastic, cosmetic parts, and taking the "glamor" out of it.
You haven't figured that out by now :confused:
 
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