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Well tonight I went to a local pub/bar with a few friends that I haven't seen in a while. Well it was all stories and how we've all been kinda discussions ect. Well next thing you know it comes around to guns and gun laws. I live in a county that is very conservative mostly republicans.

Well one friend of mine (the guy went to U of I and then got a master's in architecture at Penn. University, so he's a smart guy) starts telling me he's against gun's and carrying. I ask him why and he says "because 80% of all gun carriers end up shooting themselves when involved in a gun fight".....my mouth just dropped.... I asked him where he got this statistic and of course he just says he hears it. I just look at my g/f and she knows I'm about ready to go insane.

Then he asks me why i choose to carry. My mind fills with a billion of thoughts on why and I cant' believe he's even questioning this....so i proceed to explain that unfortunately i don't know when a bad guy is going to harm me and my family and I'm not willing to wait on the cops to come and in my rural city/county, it would be minutes upon minutes until they would be there. He just counters with what could i try to do.......again my mind just wonders how he has a masters degree........

I just give an example of any one of the shootings that have happened recently and "what if" a CCW holder was there and had a gun and could have saved innocent lives....of course he just says "well 80% of ccw permit holders end up shooting themselves" finally i just had enough and said well just don't come knocking on my door when your family is being held at knife point and you cant' do anything to protect yourself or your loved ones that's your opinion but don't infringe on my rights!

Brothers and sisters give me your thoughts/idea's?

Thanks in advance everyone.
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The guy's an idiot! Albeit, an educated idiot, but an idiot none the less!

Can't argue with those people and rarely do I even bother trying. Unless I'm feeling particularly "spunky!"
 

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Well for an educated man I still would have asked for the stats on thoses shootings. If he just hears things like that, well I hear alot of stuff to, but its not necessarily fact either.

All in all you did great, or atleast you stayed calm and didnt really tell him what a bonehead he was like im sure you wanted to..
 

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You can't fix stupid.

I wouldn't even waste my time trying to educate this moron, as it appears that it would be a fruitless endeavor.
 

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Arguing about gun control is like arguing about religion. It is a waste of time. The only friends that know I carry are friends that also carry, and not even all of them know. I like to keep it that way.
 

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I can't find it for the life of me, but I once read a report that indicated that police had more Negligent Discharges (NDs) than armed citizens.

The reason that this was so (according to the researchers), was the amount of training that individual citizens spend using their weapons (range time). Apparently, police don't (for the most part) spend too much time at the range unless they have to for qualification.

Now, before I am lambasted for such heresy by this site's Finest, don't shoot the messenger. I have heard that reasoning from numerous sources and sites including some police blog/forums like PoliceOne.com.

Ask your friend if it is a logical idea that the donning of a uniform immediately alleviates most of the "tendency" to shoot oneself in the foot or such. I would point out (to his obvious rebuttal of superior training on the part of police) that many armed citizens have demonstrated superior training in many situations (the woman in the church in CO comes to mind). I would also point out that many of the finest trainers in this country NEVER SERVED AS POLICE.

If you can manage it, one fine and dandy dirty trick of rhetoric is to "distract and attack".

Meaning: If you can get your friend to disparage, in his own words through seemingly unrelated discourse, certain police actions, then you can turn those statements around and ask him if such actions are indicators of the "superior training" that would negate accidental self-injury.

Yeah, it's a filthy little tactic, but I like it.

In the end, you may just have to concede that your friend has a differing opinion, and you will never move him from it.

That is an omnipresent possibility with anyone...
 

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Arguing about gun control is like arguing about religion. It is a waste of time. The only friends that know I carry are friends that also carry, and not even all of them know. I like to keep it that way.
Yeah, but it passes the time...

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Start telling him some of the things you've "heard" about architecture. See how far that one gets. When he scoffs and finally gives the look of "you're beyond help" then tell him "yeah, that's how I feel when you open your mouth about guns."
 

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Start telling him some of the things you've "heard" about architecture. See how far that one gets. When he scoffs and finally gives the look of "you're beyond help" then tell him "yeah, that's how I feel when you open your mouth about guns."
Bravo! That's the spirit!:35:
 

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I can't find it for the life of me, but I once read a report that indicated that police had more Negligent Discharges (NDs) than armed citizens.

The reason that this was so (according to the researchers), was the amount of training that individual citizens spend using their weapons (range time). Apparently, police don't (for the most part) spend too much time at the range unless they have to for qualification.
Actually, you are very probably right. I know of NO NDs among my friends, but while I was a cop (15 years), we had two that I can think of, and I heard of an ND which actually grazed another cop, but happened before I joined the force. So, yeah, I could see that.

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Never argue with 'anti-gun' idiots...:nono:
In time, they may become 'victimized' and come around...:yup:
 

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Okay, so he has a couple of degrees. That makes him a thermometer, not educated or intelligent.

It's like trying to teach a pig to sing:

1. It frustrates you.
2. It annoys the pig.

Change the topic. Or, change your friends.
 

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When I come across anti gunner types. I simply say "there not for everyone".

This way I don't give them a platform to spew there non sense.
 

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Maybe this is why a diploma is sometimes refered to as a 'sheep skin'.
 

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I've met a lot of people like your friend, went to school for years, got excellent grades, and fail to understand simple logic.
I call those people "book smart, common sense ignorant"
 

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Well one friend of mine (the guy went to U of I and then got a master's in architecture at Penn. University, so he's a smart guy) starts telling me he's against gun's and carrying. I ask him why and he says "because 80% of all gun carriers end up shooting themselves when involved in a gun fight".....my mouth just dropped.... I asked him where he got this statistic and of course he just says he hears it. I just look at my g/f and she knows I'm about ready to go insane.
It amazes me how some folks can be so book smart yet so real world and common sense dumb! I'm sorry, but I think I would've had to call him out on the 80%. :rofl: That's just frickin stupid.

I would have replied to his question simply saying. I carry a handgun so that I may defend my God given right to life, and the life of those that I love and care about. My weapon isn't a guarantee, but at best, in most cases, it'll elevate the average person to one of the most deadliest creatures on the planet, and at worst will level the field and give me options that I wouldn't otherwise have. Now drink your beer goofball. I'm growing tired of your ignorance. :22a:

Take care! :bier:
 

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I would have replied to his question simply saying. I carry a handgun so that I may defend my God given right to life, and the life of those that I love and care about. My weapon isn't a guarantee, but at best, in most cases, it'll elevate the average person to one of the most deadliest creatures on the planet, and at worst will level the field and give me options that I wouldn't otherwise have. Now drink your beer goofball. I'm growing tired of your ignorance. :22a:

Take care! :bier:
I about choked on my morning coffee on your last line! :rofl:

BTW... that was an incredibly good response! :hand10:
 

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Not to get too far off topic but book smart, common sense dumb would describe your friend and most members of our current national level government.
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Others have said it: Education and common sense don't always go hand in hand. And +1 to gottabkiddin, a firearm can level the playing field or tilt things in your favor. If my life is on the line I want every bit of assistance I can get.
 
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