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I've been thinking about something lately.

It wasn't that long ago I'd settled on .40 S&W. To be clear I think all the service calibers have some serious shortcomings and that they're all compromises. I decided I'd just stick to .40 S&W for autoloaders because:

- While other rounds may offer ballistic superiority in some regards, it's not enough of a difference to impress me.

- It's the middle of the road, really.

- I like larger cartridges and I don't as much about capacity as I do about other features. 12 rounds is fine.

- 9x19 is the smallest I feel fine with, and going a notch above that just makes me feel better.

- The platform I really wanted to shoot was only available in three calibers and I liked .40 better than my other choices.

I got rid of my 9x19 chambered firearm and get another .40S&W. I standardized. Life was good. I have gotten used to .40 caliber.

But now I'm in a conundrum. First, I am now permanently vested in the 9mm caliber as I will never ever sell a particular 9x19 chambered pistol that has come into my possession.

And the thing about .45 ACP is that, it still works as a service caliber, and it comes in such a variety of wonderful things to shoot it from.

My XD platform is now available in .45 ACP. I am biding my time to get one as I want a bitone finish and I don't really need it... plus I want to put some time in with that Sig.

I'm wondering if I just shouldn't get out of .40 S&W entirely. Shoot up all I've got left and move on to nothing but 9mm Luger and .45 ACP.

But I don't want to... my XD40 is not broken and there's nothing wrong with it. It is no less desirable.

Yet I also know that mixing one round of .40 S&W into my .45 ACP could spell disaster. Guess I'll just have to keep being cautious. Of course I say that, but it's happened to better men than I. If I didn't have the .40 sitting around it just plain couldn't happen.

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I can see your dilemma Euc - one reason I have avoided any .40 is because with 9mm and .45acp I feel I am well enough covered - to which I can like you, obviously at revo cal's too.

Now you do tho have .40 - just could be you'll have to progress like a lot of folks - along the three caliber channels, with care where needed.!!
 

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Whats the problem ?

You've got 3 good and reasonaby effective(as far as pistols go) calibers.

Just pay attention to your ammo selection and everything wll be fine.
 

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I keep diffrent reload calibers in diffrent colored boxes. .40 and .45 here.
 

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Whats the problem ?

You've got 3 good and reasonaby effective(as far as pistols go) calibers.

Just pay attention to your ammo selection and everything wll be fine.
Not so much a problem, just trying to think critically about whether it's really worthwhile to attempt to be vested in three calibers vs. two. I think you're right that odds are excellent nothing "bad" is going to happen, just trying to see all sides.

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I keep diffrent reload calibers in diffrent colored boxes. .40 and .45 here.
That's a good idea. I have those bins too but they're not color coded. Time to change that perhaps.
 

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Ahhhh Euc! I know what you're doing you sly old DAWG, 'cause I do it too! You're asking your friends to justify your rationalization!

Okay. I'm your friend, so.... The 40 is superfluous and unnecessary. Stick with that good old 9mm & 45 combo, because you'll always have ammo anywhere you go from the biggest city to the remote woods. There! Feel Better, now?

OTOH.....why not just stay with the 40 AND keep the others, too. I have examples of all three and there are definitely times when my Glock M27 is a much more discreet choice while still providing a superior platform from which to launch rounds! OOPS! Sorry.
 

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Hahaha Ex :tongue:

To be honest, I am probably just going to keep it like it is. I shoot the gun I carry and the others just get rotated in and out. Thus my supply of one caliber is usually far greater than the others.

It's more of a thought provoker. That and I can't sleep. I've got insomnia something awful these past couple months.
 

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I hear you on the insomnia. It's a bitch. Personally I have no interest in the .40. It's effective no doubt, but not by a large enough margin over 9mm to make me want one. 9mm ammo is cheaper, and the recoil is lower.
 

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I hear you on the insomnia. It's a bitch. Personally I have no interest in the .40. It's effective no doubt, but not by a large enough margin over 9mm to make me want one. 9mm ammo is cheaper, and the recoil is lower.
I disagree. I leafed through all sorts of tests when I was curious about the .40 S&W. While I don't cite any specific evidence for my conclusions, that's because I tried to look at all sources for a comprehensive picture.

In all sorts of penetration and displacement tests, .40 S&W and .45 ACP seem to perform about the same, and always just barely noticeably better than 9x19. In some tests like wound channels and tissue displacement, the .45 ACP will win over .40 S&W but by a thin margin.

Having shot it, I think the "recoil" aspect depends on your platform. The .40 recoil is nothing special out of my XD. I did shoot a Taurus PT 140 when I was trying the caliber on for size and experienced a little bit of muzzle flip.

I agree I would not want a smaller gun in this caliber.
 

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The only reason I have never gone to 40 (tho I respect the caliber) is because of SHTF time (which I think is inevitable, sooner or later).

Ammo availability is the issue to me. Anywhere I go in this country I am going to find 9mm and 45ACP (now or in the future). I still think that 40 is going to go the way of the 41Mag and 10mm. You just arent going to find a steady ammo supply for it.

9mm can be found anywhere on the planet where you find ammo. (that's why I have a Sig 226 w/10 mags).:biggrin2:

45ACP will be available in this country as long as guns exist. (You all know I have a nice supply of 45's):comeandgetsome:

I just imagine the day, I guess, of having to forage around for ammo and my carry gun is a brick 'cause I can't find any more to feed it.:mad: :embarassed:

Now, I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone else, it's just my long term survival instinct at work.:yup:
 

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9mm the military will have(for now) , .40 S&W , police will have. (atleast most). Maybe you should get rid of the .45?:stups: Naw keep em all. :smile:
 

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I've pretty much made the decision you originally did. I've chosen the .40 S&W as my caliber of choice. However, I'm fortunate in that I don't have that many handguns (lol) so I don't have a problem of getting them confused. I do have a couple of revolvers but I don't think I'm going to be getting my .357 mixed up with my .40 anytime soon. I would like to get a .45 one of these days, just because I think everyone should have one. Maybe I'll have this problem one day, at least I hope to. :)
 

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keep them all , enjoy them all , imho there is virtualy NO real world diff between all 3 a com hit will do the job with any of them and perephial hits will not. the attached graphic kind of puts the whole cal. debate in perspective at least for me
 

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The only reason I have never gone to 40 (tho I respect the caliber) is because of SHTF time (which I think is inevitable, sooner or later).

Now, I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone else, it's just my long term survival instinct at work.:yup:
I see your reasoning but I don't agree. There's a lot of .40 S&W out there to be had. I've never had trouble finding whatever load I wanted for it. I can't say that for .44 Magnum, for instance.

I don't think it's going anywhere, the main reason being that just about anything you make in 9x19 you can make in .40 S&W. The development cost is nill because you already have the frame, which is the hard part.

At the very worst, if you are really worried about that, get a conversion barrel for the .40 chambered firearm. I keep planning on one for giggles.

Although I have to admit I have let my CZ 75B become the new truck/traveling gun, mostly because I plan to get the .22 LR kit for it, and either .22 or 9mm ammunition should be easy to find out on the road should I need some.
 

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For Me Personally...I have resisted the temptation to buy anything in 40 S&W though there ARE some firearms in 40 S&W that I would absolutely love having and owning.

I never did see any real Self~Defense advantages of the 40 over the .45acp...now that there are faster, hotter, .45 ammunition choices available.

Any "primary carry firearm" is useless to me unless I have about 10 "spare & practice" magazines to go along with it.
So...(for me) factoring in the cost of 10 extra mags...in addition to the cost of a premium leather holster added on to the "base price" of any new firearm is what prevents me from delving into yet another caliber.

I do plan on getting back into the 9mm once I buy a Rohrbaugh 9 (as a Back Up Gun ~ BUG)

I am (admittedly old school & stubborn) ~ and still prefer the .45 as my primary & First~Choice~Self~Defense Caliber.

It's probably just a quirk with me but, I never did like the idea of packing a 9mm as my primary Self~Defense caliber.

Part of my problem is that I am just "so used to" carrying a .45 that I'm sure "Habit" has a lot to do with it.

I have absolute faith in the reliability of the 45 handguns that I already own and no 9mm Full Size firearm has excited me to the point where I feel super motivated to move DOWN in caliber.

I DO see a great deal of potential in the Rohrbaugh as the ideal Back Up pistol in 9mm though.

Just my quirky opinion on this topic.
 

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As far as being able to find ammo, 9mm and 45 hold little, if any, advantage over the 40. The 40 is everywhere, and still growing. Look at how many law enforcement agencies use it.







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Euc,

I went throught the .40 cal thing myself. I had a number of .40 handguns along with 9mm and .45 ACP. I shoot a lot, as much as 200 rounds a week, rarely ever less than 100 rounds a week. Even though .40 isn't a whole lot more expensive than 9mm, it is significantly more expensive to shoot.

I have now settled on 9mm and .45 ACP; and that XD in .45ACP is lookin' mighty good. I've sold all my .40s except one G-22, and it's for sale, and one Sig 229 and I'd probably sell it.

I'm perfectly comfortable with 9mm as a SD round and I, as others before me, am finding as I get older that "...a .45ACP recoil isn't that bad..." sure seems to hurt my aging wrists and a 9mm doesn't bother them at all. I'm wondering where I would be if my wrist had been getting pounded with .40, much less .45ACP for all these years.

I'm convinced that there is a lot to the accumlative effect of shock to joints. If one doesn't shoot much, it probably won't matter. But what's the point of owning guns and not shooting them?
 

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Well, I'll chime in: I would ditch the .40, or .45. Why? Honestly, if you can afford 2-3K "stock" in all three calibers, keep them, otherwise, cost-wise, two is more sustainable.

"SHTF" may be a time of national crisis- personally, I would see it as the time when you must have a registered firearm to buy approved quantities of approved ammunition. If the "national crisis" came after 5 years of such a policy, would you have sustainable armament, or a not-so-effective club? Just my thinking (which has lead to consolidation in 2 calibers in my entire repertoire: 9mm and .308).
 

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Funny thing. If I shoot my Glock M27 at a range I seem to notice a lot of recoil and or muzzle flip. If I shoot it for an IDPA match, I hardly notice it at all. I call this the SUNDANCE KID factor: Remember this line from the movie?

Sundance Kid: Can I move? I'm BETTER when I move.

Given the increasing number of LE agencies that have traded up to the "shorty forty" I don't see this one going away anytime soon. I can't think of a single agency that uses the 10mm as a duty load. In fact IIRC the 40 was created when the FBI realized the 10mm was too strong for their personnel to handle and they didn't want the stigma of the 45 as a military round.

Used to be a real problem when the only self defense rounds were FMJ. Then the differences between 9mm and 45 were more apparent. Since the advances in bullet technology, these differences have largely vanished. It still comes down to shot placement.

Many people will cling to one caliber or another for it's legendary status. I'm one of those folks who thinks the 45 is top drawer. I don't feel fully armed unless I'm carrying a 45. The fact is, I'm well armed with just about any firearm, based on my training and experience. I just prefer the 45.
 

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I'm perfectly comfortable with 9mm as a SD round and I, as others before me, am finding as I get older that "...a .45ACP recoil isn't that bad..." sure seems to hurt my aging wrists and a 9mm doesn't bother them at all. I'm wondering where I would be if my wrist had been getting pounded with .40, much less .45ACP for all these years.

I'm convinced that there is a lot to the accumlative effect of shock to joints. If one doesn't shoot much, it probably won't matter. But what's the point of owning guns and not shooting them?
I'm not sure I buy this statement as being 100% fact. Look at Jeff Cooper, the Father of American Combat Pistol Shooting. He's well into his 90's and still shooting the 45 (He wouldn't be caught dead with a 9mm refers to them as the crutch-en-ticker caliber). Not to mention he's still hunting big game with some very big rifle calibers. You'd think that if the 45 were as punishing as some believe, he'd be out of commission with arthritis. I think that if you shoot 300+ rounds of anything more than a 22 in one sitting, it's going to affect you.

But witness the reports coming back from "the sandbox" wherein complaints on the performance of the 9mm is dismal in comparison to those few units authorized the 45. Once again, we're talking ball ammo. So if the Geneva convention allowed JHP's the 9mm might do a better job.
 
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