What this law needs is a lot of Jefferson's separation of church and state.
Currently, if my non-religious group is meeting in a classroom at a church while a religious meeting is occurring anywhere else in the church, I'm not supposed to carry without "good and sufficient reason" (whatever the law determines that to be, after the fact).If any person carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon, without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit from carrying a concealed handgun during a meeting for religious purposes with permission of the leader of the meeting.
The key is that the words "shall carry" is changed into "who carries". Then it prohibits CHP-holders from drinking alcohol there - which is a good idea anyways.J3. No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises
HB505 has been introduced which only deals with concealed carry in restaurants that serve alcohol:Urg. So, anyone can OC and drink, but if you CC you can't.
I think J3 should just go away. Let people who CC use their judgement, like people who OC currently do.
HB505 has been introduced which only deals with concealed carry in restaurants that serve alcohol:Under currently proposed legislation, it would be a misdemeanor in VA to carry a firearm while under the influence of alcohol. Any conviction of an alcohol related crime (DUI, drunk in public, etc.) would be considered prima facia evidence of "under the influence of alcohol" but it is not restricted to those listed code violations. There is no blood alcohol limit specified in the bill, so it could be up to a court to determine whether or not any BAC would constitute under the influence outside of one of those offenses.Urg. So, anyone can OC and drink, but if you CC you can't.
I think J3 should just go away. Let people who CC use their judgement, like people who OC currently do.
Indeed.With the permission of the leader seems more restrictive than the good and sufficient reason wording. I consider protecting my family a preety good reason, and I'd have no trouble arguing that, why do I need more permission?