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I would think calling VA "purple" at this point is burying the head in the sand. VA has been trending blue for a while now, and this appears to seal the fate. My condolences to the remaining red patriots.

My hope on a national scale is we can get another favorable SCOTUS ruling to reemphasize the meaning of "shall not be infringed". I count my lucky stars I was able to escape from MD and return to a solidly pro-gun state.
 

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One of the issues that has contributed to the problem is that the state Republicans pick candidates in a caucus rather than a primary. This result in less voter interest and some candidate choices that were certain to not carry the state
You are so right about that. The VA Republican Party is a huge part of the problem here. There seems to be a lot of cronyism in the caucus. I was at a dinner event for the VCDL and sat across from a lady who has been a conservative activist and organizer in VA for years. She said there was a time when the Tea Party had the VA GOP almost whipped into shape. But the RINOs smelled blood in the water and swooped in with some money and basically co-opted that effort and got it back to cronyism. If we have any chance of turning this around, and I am not sure that is even possible, we need to bring back that kind of effort.

There are some really great conservative, pro 2A populist candidates in VA that would have broad appeal, but they never see the light of day under current system.
 

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The "Things like that never happen here" syndrome spreads far and wide.
 

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The worst has happened here in VA. With Bloomberg's help, the Dems will take control of both the state House and Senate in January. The state whose Second Amendment was the model for the US Second Amendment is probably going to take some serious hits on gun rights the first of the year. We know this will be the starter set and I imagine most of them will get passed and signed.
  • UBCs
  • AWB
  • 10 round mag limit
  • Ban on suppressors
  • One firearm purchase a month limit
  • Mandatory reporting of lost or stolen firearms
  • Standards for safe storage of firearms
  • Local preemption of firearms laws
I imagine they will eventually mess with reciprocity and ban guns in churches and on school property, even with a permit.

The only minor bright spot was the state senator I helped campaign for, one of our most pro gun senators, won by a handy 56%. But we are in for some rough going. I don't think we will get as bad as NY, NJ, CA or HI, but it will still be bad.
Fight like the third monkey getting on the Ark.

We had the same exact situation in Maine last year, and beat them all.

Other than taking thousands of volunteer hours and keeping Committees in session until the wee hours, it was easy. We beat them at the Committee level. It just took numbers. Every committee, every hearing.

I know that you know that (^^^^^) but want to give you some cheering up. Hard, yes. Impossible, no.

Fight like the third monkey.
 

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My understanding is that the Bloomberg people were pushing safety over RTKBA. I guess the majority of VA voters (that showed up to vote) are willing to trade freedom for "safety".
 

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Fight like the third monkey getting on the Ark.

We had the same exact situation in Maine last year, and beat them all.

Other than taking thousands of volunteer hours and keeping Committees in session until the wee hours, it was easy. We beat them at the Committee level. It just took numbers. Every committee, every hearing.

I know that you know that (^^^^^) but want to give you some cheering up. Hard, yes. Impossible, no.

Fight like the third monkey.
Thank you. The VCDL uses that same methodology of targeting committee meetings and has been almost 100% successful at it, but that was with every committee being chaired by a conservative. Now it will be a different story. I would really like more details on what happened in Maine, whether from your description or a link or both. Like:
  • What specifically happened politically that created the threat?
  • How did you organize to combat it?
  • What was your strategy for the committee meetings themselves?
  • How long and how often did it take?
  • What were the results, exactly?
  • Etc.
I will share it with the VCDL membership, who I think could use a boost right now.
 

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The worst has happened here in VA. With Bloomberg's help, the Dems will take control of both the state House and Senate in January. The state whose Second Amendment was the model for the US Second Amendment is probably going to take some serious hits on gun rights the first of the year. We know this will be the starter set and I imagine most of them will get passed and signed.
  • UBCs
  • AWB
  • 10 round mag limit
  • Ban on suppressors
  • One firearm purchase a month limit
  • Mandatory reporting of lost or stolen firearms
  • Standards for safe storage of firearms
  • Local preemption of firearms laws
I imagine they will eventually mess with reciprocity and ban guns in churches and on school property, even with a permit.

The only minor bright spot was the state senator I helped campaign for, one of our most pro gun senators, won by a handy 56%. But we are in for some rough going. I don't think we will get as bad as NY, NJ, CA or HI, but it will still be bad.
I would think most would wind up going to court.
 

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I would think most would wind up going to court.
No doubt, but each restriction will be in place while it winds its way through the courts, it will cost a lot of money and those are all restrictions that have stood up in other states, so the chance of success is questionable. Better to not have the laws passed at all.
 

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I live 5 miles for Missouri. My wife just won't move. It might be handy to get some kind of little vacation place over there.
I feel your pain. We have grandkids here, so my wife won't budge either. I do have to opine, though, five miles? That's nothing.

It sounds like you're in my old stomping ground. I have relatives in Jacksonville, Jerseyville and Granite City. Spent a lot of time around there.
 

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This is very sad to hear, it's looking like VA could wind up being the next NJ, I'm just glad that I no longer have any reason to go up there.
 

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As a citizen from Colorado, all I can say is welcome to the club.
 

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We've lost elections and majorities before. I'm reluctant to put Virginia in the same gun-rights catagory as California and New Jersey just yet.
 

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The “Best States” list, why isn’t Missouri, Tennessee and Kentucky on that list? I thought they were all gun friendly? Actually, SC too?
Kentucky is #6 or 8 on that list I think. Though we lost our governor last night so idk how that’ll change now.
 

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The “Best States” list, why isn’t Missouri, Tennessee and Kentucky on that list? I thought they were all gun friendly? Actually, SC too?
Missouri is 12, Tennessee is 13 on the list. If you open the link and scroll down, it gives the logic for why each state is where it is on the list.
 
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Missouri is 12, Tennessee is 13 on the list. If you open the link and scroll down, it gives the logic for why each state is where it is on the list.
My theory is based on recent politics in MO, it may be set to move up to the top ten next year. Whereas I think a couple on the top ten are set to move down. Just MHO. I think those lists are a good starting point, but they look back a year. I think it takes some more interpretation to look forward a few years. For instance, I worry about states that are getting a lot influx of Kalifornians.
 

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I had a feeling this was going to happen but held out hope. I have 2-3 years until retirement so a move will probably be in our future. I live less than 5 minutes from NC but I'm worried that Charlotte, Asheville, Chapel Hill and Durham will eventually turn NC too. Might look at going back to my home state of TN.
 
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