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Today I attended a Vehicle Tactics Course on by Bob Derosiers from Argive Defense System. I was there to kind of hang out, be a safety at times, chime in, and be the bad guy for several scenarios.
There were no “new” shooters in the class. Everyone had previous training and was range safe. With 10 students in the class, we had age’s ranging from a 20 yr old with several attendees in their late 50’s. Many were prior military and a few had shot some IPSC and IDPA.
Without getting into the specifics of the course here are some observations that I see over and over in firearms courses, especially during FOF training. We had airsofts for the good guys and props for the bad guys including airsofts, clubs, knives and box cutters.
Students habitually walk right by or totally dismiss people with visible weapons in their hands like clubs and knives.
If the student draws down on a attacker and things become static he usually begins to give verbal commands that are common to police such ask get down, cross you feet etc. While giving commands no students retreated to a better position of cover even when it was steps away.
Once students get both hands on their gun they become glued there even if they are being attacked with a club or a knife. Not one student released his weak hand to defend himself. This at best promotes a mutual slaying.
When both hands are glued to the gun the students only move straight back or straight forward.
During the entire day, not one headshot was counted. The majority of rounds struck the hand/arm holding the weapon, and COM.
During force on force no students reported closing one eye or contemplating which eye to shoot with.
Using a t-shirts for a concealment garment is likely to end up in a fouled draw, especially if you need to draws one handed.
You cannot open your door, pop your seatbelt, clear the seatbelt, get out of the car and draw you pistol in one move. At combat speed there is a very high screw up rate doing this drill.
Shooters are good about not getting their gun caught up the seatbelt but usually end up getting the seatbelt caught on reaction side gear like cell phones, magazines and lights. They get about a foot away from the car and then yanked back in by the belt.
Once students encounter and initial threat they sometimes scan left and right but seldom to the rear, once they verbally engage the threat the disregard the rear. I was able to walk up and execute two students while my partner was breaking in their car. This was in broad daylight.
Just some thoughts that I hope provoke a discussion.
There were no “new” shooters in the class. Everyone had previous training and was range safe. With 10 students in the class, we had age’s ranging from a 20 yr old with several attendees in their late 50’s. Many were prior military and a few had shot some IPSC and IDPA.
Without getting into the specifics of the course here are some observations that I see over and over in firearms courses, especially during FOF training. We had airsofts for the good guys and props for the bad guys including airsofts, clubs, knives and box cutters.
Students habitually walk right by or totally dismiss people with visible weapons in their hands like clubs and knives.
If the student draws down on a attacker and things become static he usually begins to give verbal commands that are common to police such ask get down, cross you feet etc. While giving commands no students retreated to a better position of cover even when it was steps away.
Once students get both hands on their gun they become glued there even if they are being attacked with a club or a knife. Not one student released his weak hand to defend himself. This at best promotes a mutual slaying.
When both hands are glued to the gun the students only move straight back or straight forward.
During the entire day, not one headshot was counted. The majority of rounds struck the hand/arm holding the weapon, and COM.
During force on force no students reported closing one eye or contemplating which eye to shoot with.
Using a t-shirts for a concealment garment is likely to end up in a fouled draw, especially if you need to draws one handed.
You cannot open your door, pop your seatbelt, clear the seatbelt, get out of the car and draw you pistol in one move. At combat speed there is a very high screw up rate doing this drill.
Shooters are good about not getting their gun caught up the seatbelt but usually end up getting the seatbelt caught on reaction side gear like cell phones, magazines and lights. They get about a foot away from the car and then yanked back in by the belt.
Once students encounter and initial threat they sometimes scan left and right but seldom to the rear, once they verbally engage the threat the disregard the rear. I was able to walk up and execute two students while my partner was breaking in their car. This was in broad daylight.
Just some thoughts that I hope provoke a discussion.
, but I dont know about you...but "telling" my wife anything is a non-starter), good for us though our doberman (head on wifes lap) was way ahead of my wife and the perps hand only got about 1" into the car. Funny how fast that situation changed. 
