[BugDude]

I support gun shows 100% and I've attended a few. They always have big signs indicating no loaded firearms are allowed inside the show. They have a table set-up where they collect your ammo and put a tie strap on your weapon. You can pick up your ammo when you leave.

Ironically, the last gun show that I attended, I purchased a S&W snubnosed 38 (no tie strap applied) and about 300 rounds of 38 ammo from a vendor. As I left, I watched people in line to pick-up their ammo from their carry guns. I thought about the fact that I had a 38 in my pocket and 300 rounds of ammo in a bag in my hand. What difference in the world could that rule possibly make? People can buy ammo (and guns) in the show after they enter.

Am I the only person that thinks this rule is both ironic and useless? I just don't understand what purpose it is supposed to serve.

 

[nutz4utwo]

What difference in the world could that rule possibly make?

Am I the only person that thinks this rule is both ironic and useless? I just don't understand what purpose it is supposed to serve.

The idea is it reduces the risk of accidents by getting people to unload and render the firearm inoperable (via ziptie). There are a lot of people around who may or may not be safe in their handling skills. An unloaded, ziptied firearm will not shoot your neighbor when you pull the trigger.

I don't think it is intended to stop someone from "smuggling" in a loaded firearm or buying ammo within the show. On average, I do believe the policy reduces the number of loaded firearms and reduces the number of accidents.

It is possible the insurance company of the gun show's organizers requires some superficial saftey measures.

If one does not approve of the shows rules, it is advisable not to attend or to start a show of your own that you can manage as you see fit.

 

[Mic]

The rules mostly are in place for the insurance companys and to protect the event location owners. But I agree, STUPID

 

[BugDude]

It's not that I don't approve of the rule, it's just the irony hit me as I walked out of the last show. I've known about the rule for years, so I just leave mine in the car.

You are probably correct on the insurance company, and I can see the safety side of it as well. Not all gun owners practice safe gun handling habits. It just struck me as odd.

 

[doctorw]

One of the gun stores I shop at has a similar sign. The idea is if you are going to be handling a gun inside a gun show or a store, it better be unloaded and made safe. I'm sure if you have a concealed firearm on you at a gun show, and keep it concealed, no one will have a problem--they won't even know you are armed. In other words, use common sense and be careful.

 

[BugDude]

I obey the rules and posted signs. I also agree that if handling guns in a shop (or show) they should be unloaded. Safe gun handling practices are not as common as they should be.

 

[jem102]

The idea is it reduces the risk of accidents by getting people to unload and render the firearm inoperable (via ziptie). There are a lot of people around who may or may not be safe in their handling skills. An unloaded, ziptied firearm will not shoot your neighbor when you pull the trigger.

I don't think it is intended to stop someone from "smuggling" in a loaded firearm or buying ammo within the show. On average, I do believe the policy reduces the number of loaded firearms and reduces the number of accidents.

It is possible the insurance company of the gun show's organizers requires some superficial saftey measures.

If one does not approve of the shows rules, it is advisable not to attend or to start a show of your own that you can manage as you see fit.

Never thought it through but your explanation makes good sense.

 

[BugDude]

That may be the reason some gun stores post signs too...more because of idiots not practicing safe gun handling than criminals with ill intent.

That was a very good explanation and one I had not thought of before either. I appreciate the perspective. Getting good answers and perspectives is why I post questions. Thanks.

 

[GM]

The idea is it reduces the risk of accidents by getting people to unload and render the firearm inoperable (via ziptie). There are a lot of people around who may or may not be safe in their handling skills. An unloaded, ziptied firearm will not shoot your neighbor when you pull the trigger.

I don't think it is intended to stop someone from "smuggling" in a loaded firearm or buying ammo within the show. On average, I do believe the policy reduces the number of loaded firearms and reduces the number of accidents.

It is possible the insurance company of the gun show's organizers requires some superficial saftey measures.

If one does not approve of the shows rules, it is advisable not to attend or to start a show of your own that you can manage as you see fit.

Then they also should quit selling ammo … or why not quit selling guns at all? That should make it even safer.
I understand what you mean with your post and I agree to a certain extent, but it does not make much sense to me if you still can have a gun in your pocket (no tie strap applied) and 300 rounds of ammo to it in your handbag. A loaded firearm will not jump out of the holster by itself and make a disaster, and if you CC you do not suppose to unholster your weapon and play with it, which implies that it does not matter too much what kind of skills you have or not. Just my two cents
By the way, I quit going to gun shows for a long time ago.

 

[archer51]

I've attended several different gun shows, from Richmond to Chantilly (NoVA) and have never had to surrender my ammo. Of course my weapon is handed to the checked with the action open and an empty magazine removed from the weapon. My loaded magazine is in my spare mag pouch and I usually have my own zip ties and a cutter with me, in case I see a holster I want to check out.

The rule IMO has nothing to do with stopping someone from going on a shooting spree, but to help reduce the chances of a AD/ND. A BG who wants to shjoot the place up, isn't going to check his weapon anyway.

 

[Gearslammer]

Went to one yesterday and had to do the same thing (clear my pistol, surrender my ammo, and they zip tie my trigger) and I also thought to myself ***. Does not make sense and plain out right dumb. You have all these people walking around with guns they just purchased and ammo....and you want ME to check my ammo at the door and zip tie MY pistol lol. Am I missing something on the way they think lol. Not that I care if someone holds up a gun show with guns, because that would be suicidally stupid, just that the guns purchased don't have to follow the same principles for the CCW'ers. Like tie strip and you get our just purchased ammo at the door when you leave. See?
The gun stores I go to don't have signs that say "no carrying or concealed weapons allowed inside" because that's just plain "screwed up" (to use simpler words).



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[GM]

I've attended several different gun shows, from Richmond to Chantilly (NoVA) and have never had to surrender my ammo. Of course my weapon is handed to the checked with the action open and an empty magazine removed from the weapon. My loaded magazine is in my spare mag pouch and I usually have my own zip ties and a cutter with me, in case I see a holster I want to check out.

The rule IMO has nothing to do with stopping someone from going on a shooting spree, but to help reduce the chances of a AD/ND. A BG who wants to shjoot the place up, isn't going to check his weapon anyway.

I agree with you, those rules will not stop a BG from going on and shooting the place up since he is not going to check his weapon anyway. I see the point when you say that those rules will reduce the chances of a AD/ND. However, we have to consider that a CCWer should not unholster its weapon in public just to play with it. Furthermore, if it is about reducing the chances of a AN/ND we have to remember that those incidents also could occur when we are walking on the street, or shopping in a store or whatever. What should we then do about it? Because people spend more time in other public places than in gun shows. The only that could help in that case would be not to allow firearms in any public places. And next step should be to do not allow guns at home, because a AC/NC can occur and then someone in the house can hurt. And what should it be after that?

 

[goawayfarm]

I've attended several different gun shows, from Richmond to Chantilly (NoVA) and have never had to surrender my ammo. .....

I also have NEVER surrendered AMMO. The firearm in my holster is unloaded though.

This subject has been brought up MANY TIMES before: (here are just a few!)

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/30329-no-cc-gunshows.html

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbull...iscussion/79315-gun-show-check-your-guns.html

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/31678-gun-show-carry.html

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/10550-gun-show-carry.html

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbull...ions/12738-g-s-gunshows-not-gun-friendly.html

I DON'T have a problem with unloading to go into a gun show. These venues are PRIVATE PROPERTY & the owner's wishes should be respected. I'm very PRO_GUN, but I don't let people I don't know, or who handle firearms carelessly, carry on my property!

I go to a lot of these shows & have had numerous firearms pointed at me! Most are just by people NOT paying attention to where the muzzle is pointed....OTHERS have actually aimed the firearm, using myself or other patrons to 'check out the sights'. If you haven't had this happen to you at a gun show.....You either weren't paying attention (walking around in WHITE) or you've never been to a gun show! A couple of people I have even 'dressed down' & embarrassed them when they do it. I had a guy who picked up a rifle with a scope & laser, who then shouldered the rifle & used my chest as a target from several isles away! After a severe berating by myself, he left the show...WITHOUT a purchase!

Not all attendees at the shows are as careful as they should be.......

There have been numerous NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES at gun shows, even when they ask that ALL weapons be unloaded. I am glad they tell EVERYBODY to unload. There are way to many numb skulls with poor firearms skills.....& I don't want to get accidentally shot!

As to the people who say that they won't unload for ANY reason at a gun show......I have ONE piece of advice (if you decide to disregard the rules):

DON'T FOR ANY REASON REMOVE YOUR CARRY ARM WHILE AT A SHOW..... Not even to try the next, new fangled, wizz-bang holster or latest Tom Swiftie laser that you have been trying to find. ....because I don't want you accidentally shooting me!

If EVERYBODY were attentive to this, there would be NO NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES at these shows.

If you're worried about being 'disarmed' while in the show, keep this in mind: If some miscreant, BG or just plain dumb a$$ starts shooting ....I'm hitting the deck, because all of the other nimrods who DIDN'T unload are going to be going for their guns....even the guys who unloaded are going to be trying to load theirs.......& how many more NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES are going to occur? I have better than average shooting skills, but in a close, densely occupied show venue.....How can you be sure of where your rounds fired at a potential BG are going? How many innocents are YOU going to hit in the process of stopping a BG?.....YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL ROUNDS YOU FIRE!

 

[GM]

In other thread I read a post about this issue, and I totally agree with it (http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/31678-gun-show-carry.html).

havegunjoe:

Gun shows that ban me from carrying my legally permitted gun don't get my business. Same for gun stores. It is hypocritical for a room full of vendors to try and sell me guns,
ammo, and gun related items yet tell me they don't trust me in that same room. It is also not an insurance issue as some will try and tell you. There are plenty of shows that do
not ban carry permit holders from carrying their guns. It's a trust issue, and they don't trust me even though I have the training and permit. If no permit holders showed up for their
shows they would change their minds I think.

 

[archer51]

I agree with you, those rules will not stop a BG from going on and shooting the place up since he is not going to check his weapon anyway. I see the point when you say that those rules will reduce the chances of a AD/ND. However, we have to consider that a CCWer should not unholster its weapon in public just to play with it. Furthermore, if it is about reducing the chances of a AN/ND we have to remember that those incidents also could occur when we are walking on the street, or shopping in a store or whatever. What should we then do about it? Because people spend more time in other public places than in gun shows. The only that could help in that case would be not to allow firearms in any public places. And next step should be to do not allow guns at home, because a AC/NC can occur and then someone in the house can hurt. And what should it be after that?

While I agree an AD/ND can happen anywhere, remember there are many people who go to gun shows who are not permit holders. While they cannot carry concealed, many do OC at gun shows. Where do you draw the line? No OC of loaded firearms? No loaded firearms without a permit? That's not going to fly in states like VA where OC without a permit is legal. As goawayfarm stated, it is private property and as such the owners/sponsors rules should be followed. You have the choice of following them or not going.

 

[GM]

While I agree an AD/ND can happen anywhere, remember there are many people who go to gun shows who are not permit holders. While they cannot carry concealed, many do OC at gun shows. Where do you draw the line? No OC of loaded firearms? No loaded firearms without a permit? That's not going to fly in states like VA where OC without a permit is legal. As goawayfarm stated, it is private property and as such the owners/sponsors rules should be followed. You have the choice of following them or not going.

You are right and I agree with you, many people that go to gun shows are not permit holders but still OC. Like you say, where do you draw the line? It is also true that it is private property and the owners/sponsors dictate the rules. I am afraid that is the eternal dilemma in a democracy, "where does my democracy end and where does your democracy begin?". Where does the limit go? I guess that the answer will vary depending of who we ask to. That is the reason because I follow the Federal and State laws, not matter if I like them or not.

 

[Treo]

Am I the only person that thinks this rule is both ironic and useless? I just don't understand what purpose it is supposed to serve.

It's a feel good rule that does nothing but disarm those W/ no criminal intent in the first place. I routinely ignore such signs

 

[SIGguy229]

I've never surrendered my ammo at a gun show....and if I did surrender it, that's why I carry a spare mag:image035:....and a knife (to cut the zip tie).

Just another "feel good" procedure that does nothing to stop BGs...however, there are some ignorant people who will want to try to fit their loaded gun in a holster....possibly having a ND and harming someone else.

But if my weapon stays in it's holster, why should I take it out again?

 

[Treo]

I posted this in another thread on another board

In the words of Suzanna Gratia Hupp ( who watched both of her parents die because she obeyed Texas' "No carry Law" )

"I am under no obligation to follow a bad law. "

I absolutely respect the right of a home owner to dictate what is and isn't acceptable on their property.

A business that is open to the public has no right to override my right to life and the defense there of.

 

[qdoggydogg]

Its all about the insurance companies, and since when have they ever been smart.