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Hello all. I am very new here but time is of the essence so I am not delaying in posting this urgent call to all who want to see a national conceal and carry as well as having invaliable new tools available to make our streets safer, our gun purchases easier as well as offer law enforcement a new tool to make there jobs easier and safer.
What I am talking about, if you don't already know is the Vitter/ Cornyn ammendment for national conceal and carry. In essence this would make every state accept your conceal and carry and open a whole new world to all the above mentioned things.
I want to start by re-iterating what happened with all the recent senate voting so here it is:
First of all I want to Thank and give Congratulations to all who got on the phones and called their senators to make them know we were not going to stand by and let our 2nd ammendment rights be trampled by unconstitutional anarchy.
Here is where we are at for those that do not know:
The Toomney/Schumer bill got 54/46 vote.
The Feinstein Ban bill got 40/60 and the magazine ban 46/54
The hopefull side:
The Vitter/Coryn universal Conceal and Carry amendment got 57/43 that is just 3 short of passing and is now considered "must pass legislation".
I have offered a change in theammendment to offer a universal ID system for not only CCP holders, but also Convicted felons.
This work in progress, I feel, is the key to winning this debate once and for all:
This is the begining of an outline that, once finished will be faxed to my state senators and representatives by my CLEO who, along with 100% of all citizens and FFl holders are behind, so here it goes. Be sure to have your input heard and I will need your help to spread this to EVERY person that will listen! Law enforcement is the key to this winning and i think i have found a tool to help them. We need JUST THREE VOTES, that is the motto here, JUST THREE VOTES!! So if your senator did not vote for this ammendment make your voice heard because it will come up again!
Abstract: In this guideline you will find an outline to give a legal basis for a national conceal and carry ammendment that would serve to address a number of issues of complainst and obvious shortcomings of the current Firearms sales and purchasing laws as well as address private and Gun show purchases and offer new tools for law enforcement to quickly and easily identify persons or suspects as convicted felons not in possession of their 2nd ammendment liberties so as to create a safer and more timely identification process. Aid civlians to more accurately conduct legal firearms transactions in the public segment. It will also serve to establish certain constitutional rights and bolster the 2nd ammendment from any further infringment as well as set accountability measures for any law enforcement, government agency or individuals conducting violations of civil liberties of those in possission of 2nd ammendments rights.
This gudline will contain the following recomendations and system structures to achieve this goal. The Goals of this ammendment guideline are as follows:
1)Establish a system of reporting and monitoring that is more accurate, up to date and easier to use than the current NICS system as well as providing asccess for private sellers of firearms to use, as an optional measure, so as to aid in maintaining legal transactions between private parties in public and private transactions.
2)Establish basic and expounded rights under current CCP law and uphold the constitutionality there of.
3)Establish a basic education system for CCP holders of two distinct catagories: a)Standardized training and b)Expanded training for CCP holders to purchase and posses NFA restricted items that are currently available for Police and Military use by streemlining the NFA application process for CCP holders desiring to possess NFA restricted firearms and devices given adequate additional training and certification by allowing each states DFL to authorize purchasing and possession there of.
4)Establish a system of identifying reporting and maintainance for convicted felons as well as all other non felon citizens as outlined under current laws.
5) Establish a system of reparations to felons not in posession of second ammendment rights so as to decrease the waiting period found under current state and federal laws and to add funds to the new system in the form of "incientivised" payments into the system.
6)Establish accountabilty and penalty structures for public, law enforcement and government officials, regardless of office or rank, found violating civilian 2nd ammendments rights.
1) There should be a universal minimum training assesment based on a colaborated input from individual states and law enforcment so as to establish a least comon denominator in terms of training and testing of CCP applicants. This training would be considered entry level law enforcement training and to a lesser extent, fire arm handling and safety. Set a universal CCP apllication fee every 5yrs as is the practice in many states currently.
2) A system of Identification of said CCP holders, as an option, to maintain one individual state ID, such as a drivers liscence, to which a special, non-visible, unless viewed under a UV light, would idnetify a CCP holder to law enforcement or other necessary entities such as Firearms dealers or ayone engaged in the trade or sell of firearms.
3) A system of Identification of felons not able to purchase, own or possess firearms, as a mandatory mark, to maintain one individual state ID, such as a drivers liscence, to which a special, non-visible, unless viewed under a UV light, would idnetify a felon to law enforcement or other necessary entities such as Firearms dealers or ayone engaged in the trade or sell of firearms. This indentification would be so mandated after a Judge issued stay on the ndividuals revocation of 2nd ammendment right, under current and enforced law. This would require a yearly fee to obtain a state ID or Drivers license with said indentification for a period of no more than 5yrs, at a cost of equivelence to an established universal CCP fee.
4)Any and all violators of civil liberties pertaining to the sales, transport, possession or use, there of legaly obtained and possessed firerearms is prohibited regardless of agency, incividual, office or rank. Violators of 2nd ammendment right will be held as "volitile aggressors" and subjected to fines and imprisonment as aggrevated combatances of a now standardized and fully regulated malitia as stated under the constitution.
1) It will make unilateral system of CCP holders to carry a concealed weapon in ANY state, free from ANY kind of prosecution and infringement there of. States such as NY and IL would HAVE to accept out of state CCP holders and their rights to C & C. It would, in effect, establish a basic civil enforcement system , or "malitia" in uncertain terms as that of a civilian police, not on any payroll or under the command of any given state or local agency, yet regulated under current "citizen arrest laws". This would also allow CCP holders, as is current law, the right to obtain a handgun without a waiting period, in any state.
2) Allow the pruchase of firearms, and the transport there-of, un-impeded, accross and into state jourisdiction free from any back ground checks or further paperwork asside form a simple form that would have the CCP holders ID and the date of purchase as well as other petrtinant, non serial descriptive information. In otherwords, you could go to a gun show in ANY state and purchase a firearm in that state and transport it back home withoutany fear of prosecution or harasment.
3) Give the the replacement system of NICS the needed financial resources for fast and accurate up to date information more closely tied to DMV records for more accurate and timely updates.
4) Introduce a reparation system on those whom the NICS was created because of. Felons would in essence have to "pay there share" of a system they, by their actions mandate and we, as law abiding citizens are subjected to in the form of Background checks and waiting periods.
5)Give irrvocable rights under the 2nd ammendment to those in legal possesion of firearms under the Bill of Rights.
After further consultations, it has been decided a change to the NICS system is needed so as to streemline process for FFLs and state agencies. Each state would need to have under it's own Dept of Justice, a entity called a "Dept of Firearm licensing" or (DFL). It would be linked to the DMV and the federal Dept. of Justice. Those would be the new reporting and information gathering system of each state. Since the overwelming consus from FFL's I have spoke to are in the resoundingly possitive for this measure, the general consensus has been that a single form for all firearm purchases is needed. All have agreed a more streemlined paperwork (one form, less questions) system is needed and that FFL's should still be required to do some form of calling in or verification of the up to dateness of the card holders cradentials presented at the time of firearms purchasing. They also agree that private parties should not be required to use the system but allowed to at their discression. The system should also use both Drivers licensing and social securty as well as private questioning (currently used to varify the legality of the individuals right to own and possess a firearm under current proceedure) before a "N 2 L" status is added and would require the states to immeidately send information the the DFL to further eliminate "false Negatives" in the system as all have had some instences where after clarification an individual was able to pruchase said firearms. This is already the course taken when a denial is given through the current NICS system. It should, however, be pre-emptive, rather than post-emptive.
The N 2 L (Non 2nd Legal) stamps would also be applied to any illegal allien (I don't understand how they should have a right to a drivers license since they shouldn't be here anyway, but what ever) as this is a current rquirement and a question not once but twice on NICS applications. Also, those of "serious mental defect" showing, through multiple consultations, perhaps by mulitple coctors so as to decrease the likelyness of frivilous suites, give judgement that, at that time, the individuals are a eminent threat to themselves or the public. A court order would still be required. The fee for felons would be optional, the watermark, mandatory. The optional fee would be a "fee" to, after 5yrs, allow non-violent or those deemed mentaly fit, could then have their 2nd ammendment rights reinstated ahead of the current 7yr wait. A judge would also have to sign this order.
In order to prevent over abuse by states that would not be fond of this legislation and in an attempt to thwart misuse of police & political power the following would be added: The law would require that only a judge from the state of issuance of said CCP can sign the order to remove any CCP's holder and it must be in the presence of the CCP holder or a representative (lawer or power of attorny or both) of the CCP holder in question. Also, an accountability clause would have very strict guidlines for punsihment for violations of these rights. Up to and including fines, inprisonment and, on mass levels, declaration & possible prossecution of treason if the infractions occurred durring the commission of anyone in the process of upholding the constitutional rights of others of any kind.
Also, an additional training program for law enforcement training in the neiborhood of 40-80hrs, focusing soley on firearms training and civil liberty awareness, would allow CCP holders the right to purchase, own, and posses NFA restricted Arms without additional taxes or "fees" along with no need for any CLEO signing off or to be informed. This includes silencers, automatic weapons and all items listed as "other" under current NFA regulations.
In addition, gun powder and bullets would be included in the N 2 L descriptions. This would also eliminate the possibility that felons, illegals or out of country "terrorists" would not be able to purchase any kind of "explosive substances".
Private gun sellers would also be able to use this tool, with the purchase of a simple light, that gives off UV spectrum light. It would go to bolster the legality and safety from prosecution of those engaged in private slaes of firearms in private and in gun shows. The seller would simply, for his own protection from preosecution, record the DL number, a date and have both parties sign. No information regarding the type of firearms or serial numbers is required. Only a statement that the DL was checked for a N 2 L stamp.
Thank you for reading this and I hope I have your support but I want feedback and action so this can become a reallity for us all.
What I am talking about, if you don't already know is the Vitter/ Cornyn ammendment for national conceal and carry. In essence this would make every state accept your conceal and carry and open a whole new world to all the above mentioned things.
I want to start by re-iterating what happened with all the recent senate voting so here it is:
First of all I want to Thank and give Congratulations to all who got on the phones and called their senators to make them know we were not going to stand by and let our 2nd ammendment rights be trampled by unconstitutional anarchy.
Here is where we are at for those that do not know:
The Toomney/Schumer bill got 54/46 vote.
The Feinstein Ban bill got 40/60 and the magazine ban 46/54
The hopefull side:
The Vitter/Coryn universal Conceal and Carry amendment got 57/43 that is just 3 short of passing and is now considered "must pass legislation".
I have offered a change in theammendment to offer a universal ID system for not only CCP holders, but also Convicted felons.
This work in progress, I feel, is the key to winning this debate once and for all:
This is the begining of an outline that, once finished will be faxed to my state senators and representatives by my CLEO who, along with 100% of all citizens and FFl holders are behind, so here it goes. Be sure to have your input heard and I will need your help to spread this to EVERY person that will listen! Law enforcement is the key to this winning and i think i have found a tool to help them. We need JUST THREE VOTES, that is the motto here, JUST THREE VOTES!! So if your senator did not vote for this ammendment make your voice heard because it will come up again!
Vitter/Coryn amendment changes
Abstract: In this guideline you will find an outline to give a legal basis for a national conceal and carry ammendment that would serve to address a number of issues of complainst and obvious shortcomings of the current Firearms sales and purchasing laws as well as address private and Gun show purchases and offer new tools for law enforcement to quickly and easily identify persons or suspects as convicted felons not in possession of their 2nd ammendment liberties so as to create a safer and more timely identification process. Aid civlians to more accurately conduct legal firearms transactions in the public segment. It will also serve to establish certain constitutional rights and bolster the 2nd ammendment from any further infringment as well as set accountability measures for any law enforcement, government agency or individuals conducting violations of civil liberties of those in possission of 2nd ammendments rights.
This gudline will contain the following recomendations and system structures to achieve this goal. The Goals of this ammendment guideline are as follows:
1)Establish a system of reporting and monitoring that is more accurate, up to date and easier to use than the current NICS system as well as providing asccess for private sellers of firearms to use, as an optional measure, so as to aid in maintaining legal transactions between private parties in public and private transactions.
2)Establish basic and expounded rights under current CCP law and uphold the constitutionality there of.
3)Establish a basic education system for CCP holders of two distinct catagories: a)Standardized training and b)Expanded training for CCP holders to purchase and posses NFA restricted items that are currently available for Police and Military use by streemlining the NFA application process for CCP holders desiring to possess NFA restricted firearms and devices given adequate additional training and certification by allowing each states DFL to authorize purchasing and possession there of.
4)Establish a system of identifying reporting and maintainance for convicted felons as well as all other non felon citizens as outlined under current laws.
5) Establish a system of reparations to felons not in posession of second ammendment rights so as to decrease the waiting period found under current state and federal laws and to add funds to the new system in the form of "incientivised" payments into the system.
6)Establish accountabilty and penalty structures for public, law enforcement and government officials, regardless of office or rank, found violating civilian 2nd ammendments rights.
Requirements of legislation1) There should be a universal minimum training assesment based on a colaborated input from individual states and law enforcment so as to establish a least comon denominator in terms of training and testing of CCP applicants. This training would be considered entry level law enforcement training and to a lesser extent, fire arm handling and safety. Set a universal CCP apllication fee every 5yrs as is the practice in many states currently.
2) A system of Identification of said CCP holders, as an option, to maintain one individual state ID, such as a drivers liscence, to which a special, non-visible, unless viewed under a UV light, would idnetify a CCP holder to law enforcement or other necessary entities such as Firearms dealers or ayone engaged in the trade or sell of firearms.
3) A system of Identification of felons not able to purchase, own or possess firearms, as a mandatory mark, to maintain one individual state ID, such as a drivers liscence, to which a special, non-visible, unless viewed under a UV light, would idnetify a felon to law enforcement or other necessary entities such as Firearms dealers or ayone engaged in the trade or sell of firearms. This indentification would be so mandated after a Judge issued stay on the ndividuals revocation of 2nd ammendment right, under current and enforced law. This would require a yearly fee to obtain a state ID or Drivers license with said indentification for a period of no more than 5yrs, at a cost of equivelence to an established universal CCP fee.
4)Any and all violators of civil liberties pertaining to the sales, transport, possession or use, there of legaly obtained and possessed firerearms is prohibited regardless of agency, incividual, office or rank. Violators of 2nd ammendment right will be held as "volitile aggressors" and subjected to fines and imprisonment as aggrevated combatances of a now standardized and fully regulated malitia as stated under the constitution.
Benefits and results of system implimentation1) It will make unilateral system of CCP holders to carry a concealed weapon in ANY state, free from ANY kind of prosecution and infringement there of. States such as NY and IL would HAVE to accept out of state CCP holders and their rights to C & C. It would, in effect, establish a basic civil enforcement system , or "malitia" in uncertain terms as that of a civilian police, not on any payroll or under the command of any given state or local agency, yet regulated under current "citizen arrest laws". This would also allow CCP holders, as is current law, the right to obtain a handgun without a waiting period, in any state.
2) Allow the pruchase of firearms, and the transport there-of, un-impeded, accross and into state jourisdiction free from any back ground checks or further paperwork asside form a simple form that would have the CCP holders ID and the date of purchase as well as other petrtinant, non serial descriptive information. In otherwords, you could go to a gun show in ANY state and purchase a firearm in that state and transport it back home withoutany fear of prosecution or harasment.
3) Give the the replacement system of NICS the needed financial resources for fast and accurate up to date information more closely tied to DMV records for more accurate and timely updates.
4) Introduce a reparation system on those whom the NICS was created because of. Felons would in essence have to "pay there share" of a system they, by their actions mandate and we, as law abiding citizens are subjected to in the form of Background checks and waiting periods.
5)Give irrvocable rights under the 2nd ammendment to those in legal possesion of firearms under the Bill of Rights.
After further consultations, it has been decided a change to the NICS system is needed so as to streemline process for FFLs and state agencies. Each state would need to have under it's own Dept of Justice, a entity called a "Dept of Firearm licensing" or (DFL). It would be linked to the DMV and the federal Dept. of Justice. Those would be the new reporting and information gathering system of each state. Since the overwelming consus from FFL's I have spoke to are in the resoundingly possitive for this measure, the general consensus has been that a single form for all firearm purchases is needed. All have agreed a more streemlined paperwork (one form, less questions) system is needed and that FFL's should still be required to do some form of calling in or verification of the up to dateness of the card holders cradentials presented at the time of firearms purchasing. They also agree that private parties should not be required to use the system but allowed to at their discression. The system should also use both Drivers licensing and social securty as well as private questioning (currently used to varify the legality of the individuals right to own and possess a firearm under current proceedure) before a "N 2 L" status is added and would require the states to immeidately send information the the DFL to further eliminate "false Negatives" in the system as all have had some instences where after clarification an individual was able to pruchase said firearms. This is already the course taken when a denial is given through the current NICS system. It should, however, be pre-emptive, rather than post-emptive.
The N 2 L (Non 2nd Legal) stamps would also be applied to any illegal allien (I don't understand how they should have a right to a drivers license since they shouldn't be here anyway, but what ever) as this is a current rquirement and a question not once but twice on NICS applications. Also, those of "serious mental defect" showing, through multiple consultations, perhaps by mulitple coctors so as to decrease the likelyness of frivilous suites, give judgement that, at that time, the individuals are a eminent threat to themselves or the public. A court order would still be required. The fee for felons would be optional, the watermark, mandatory. The optional fee would be a "fee" to, after 5yrs, allow non-violent or those deemed mentaly fit, could then have their 2nd ammendment rights reinstated ahead of the current 7yr wait. A judge would also have to sign this order.
In order to prevent over abuse by states that would not be fond of this legislation and in an attempt to thwart misuse of police & political power the following would be added: The law would require that only a judge from the state of issuance of said CCP can sign the order to remove any CCP's holder and it must be in the presence of the CCP holder or a representative (lawer or power of attorny or both) of the CCP holder in question. Also, an accountability clause would have very strict guidlines for punsihment for violations of these rights. Up to and including fines, inprisonment and, on mass levels, declaration & possible prossecution of treason if the infractions occurred durring the commission of anyone in the process of upholding the constitutional rights of others of any kind.
Also, an additional training program for law enforcement training in the neiborhood of 40-80hrs, focusing soley on firearms training and civil liberty awareness, would allow CCP holders the right to purchase, own, and posses NFA restricted Arms without additional taxes or "fees" along with no need for any CLEO signing off or to be informed. This includes silencers, automatic weapons and all items listed as "other" under current NFA regulations.
In addition, gun powder and bullets would be included in the N 2 L descriptions. This would also eliminate the possibility that felons, illegals or out of country "terrorists" would not be able to purchase any kind of "explosive substances".
Private gun sellers would also be able to use this tool, with the purchase of a simple light, that gives off UV spectrum light. It would go to bolster the legality and safety from prosecution of those engaged in private slaes of firearms in private and in gun shows. The seller would simply, for his own protection from preosecution, record the DL number, a date and have both parties sign. No information regarding the type of firearms or serial numbers is required. Only a statement that the DL was checked for a N 2 L stamp.
Thank you for reading this and I hope I have your support but I want feedback and action so this can become a reallity for us all.
