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Haha im not sure if i spelled adequate right:danceban: But I have a question regarding a certain silver pistol that is of german decent and is known in the bond movies. The Walther ppk, or to be specific gun im questioning about the PPK/S. My Question is...is this a decent weapon for carry? Meaning if a was to get jumped had to draw it into action and use it, would the 380 round be enough to take down an assailant? Also ive heard them being prone to jams.....:gah:
 

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Most thought is 9m or biger will do. All in all any handgun will be better tan none. you need to decide how much protection you feel is needed.
 

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Well.... I do have a Glock 17 but i was thinking about going smaller because the 17 seems over kill for ccw use...I dont really care for the ppk being it's to SMALL, and i like putting Pachymre Grips on the guns i shoot. So i wanna go for the ppk/s. Im not really worried about the capacity of the gun, but just that the round is potent enough to work.
 

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Welcome :smilez: And yes - you spelled adequate fine :smilez:

You will get a miriad selection of comments I suspect - most not overly encouraging probably! For the caliber the gun is ''OK'' IMO but I have never been a fan of those. I guess in truth that is partly because the cal is just really a bit low on power.

I am not knocking it totally, don't get me wrong - well placed shots will do the job but not probably guaranteed to "enough to take down an assailant". I do personally favor the Bersa Thunder for 380 - good value and good reliability - my wife and step daughter each have one - tho it is a tad larger and heavier.

Better yet would be to consider one of the many small 9mm's like Kahr or even the P11 KelTec - little bit more oomph.

Decisions need made much as anything on dress options for CCW - within your restrictions/choices - go as large as you can and even up the cal more if viable.

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Just saw your last post -
because the 17 seems over kill for ccw use
Can't go with that!!!! IMO no handgun is overkill!!
 

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Hmm how big are the USP compacts in 45acp? or in 9mm? Do they have pinky hang and how's the recoil? Oh and whats the mag capacity? I might go for that if 380 is indeed under powered:banana:
 

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The Walther PPK/S does not have jamming problems.

Some DO have feeding problems with certain hollow point ammo bullet configurations.

Some will feed anything & others will not unless they are tuned.

All of them will usually feed ball type ammo perfectly.

The pistols Do Not work very well with Non Walther extra magazines.
So plan on buying only Walther mags for your spare magazines.

There is no way to answer your other question as to adequate stopping power in some future unknown incident...as there are far too many variables.

In my opinion the .380 is borderline for self defense.
I have carried my Walther as a primary on a few occasions.
That would be locally out to dinner & on some other "extremely low likely threat" jaunts.

It is comforting to have but, you really need to remember that shot placement will always be of paramount importance.

I should add that the all steel Walther is slightly heavy for it's size as a "pocket pistol"....also...the slide is difficult for many females, elderly, and or "out of shape" males to operate.

That is because the recoil spring is quite stiff & there is not much slide area to grab onto.

My wife is not able to rack the slide on my PPK/S.
 

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Yeah im not intending it to be a pocket pistol, probably find a holster for it. I have never fired a ppk/s before, however i have racked the slide of one and played around with it so to speak. My uncle has a German ppk/s blued, and i agree the slide is quite stiff to rack. But the weight dosen't bother me that much... also about the mags no need to worry, i never buy cheap generic mags, i only buy Brand name mags for my guns, i.e Beretta mags for beretta, colt mags for colts, ect ect. Hmm what are some good hallowpoint 380 to use?
 

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I wouldn't worry about carrying one, did that for a few years myself,, if your serious about it I would look to the S&W version with the extended tang,it helps with the slide bite,, my older model seems to like the 102 grain sabers, and the winchester slivertips,,

If its just size your looking at, I would look to the Khar seris , but skip their ploymer, or why not glocks 26?
 

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If you see "low-risk" as your general environment/lifestyle, and are situationally aware (people call you paranoid:wave: ), with good shooting and common sense, I would not feel too light. I would certainly plan on carrying 1, or better yet, 2 reloads. If the size means you will carry it everyday- by all means get it!

However. If you rate your risk as "Moderate" of higher, I would want more capacity and power, frankly. The USP Compact fits my hand well (not as much a feeling of pinky-hang as with the G26/27), and I believe you can get "real" capacity mags now- all 13 rounds worth! The Khars, Mini Glocks, and USP Compacts are all pretty comparable.

What are your primary selection factors? Size/weight? Price range? What is your previous shooting experience? All of these are significant, to varying personal degrees.
 

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I would also stick with 9mm. You will find that the round offers the benefits of greater protection and is cheap to shoot. More practice=Better automatic reaction when/if needed.
 

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I carry my S & W version once and awhile. Its so thin it fits better with suits and other dressier occasions. I don't feel undergunned when I carry it. Get a good pocket holster (mines from K & D) or a nice IWB (Donner Gun Leather) and it works great!


 

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My ppks is reliable with anything , shoots extremely well , and has been carried enough the blueing is shot and it needs refinished ( hey its circa 1972 german lol ) that being said it has reached honorable semi retirement in favor of the stainless kahr pm9 . i still drag out the ppks once in a while but it has earned its place in the safe so to speak
 

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Somebody call the guys with the white jackets, Kevin's got holsters in OSU colors. Boy no wonder they cant play football, LOL. I've never seen a Sooner wif a holster special made. Like the PPK and planning on getting one this year, unless Chris convinces me that the Bursa is a good enough weapon.

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I used to have a thunder 380 and carried it everywhere. I had to sell it for quick cash and when I was able to replace it i went with a springfield xdsc 9mm. It isnt much bigger than the 380 and packs more punch YMMV. just my .02 cents worth.

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Stick with .38 and above. Most say 9MM and above, but you can get a great used .38 snub. You will have to practice with it though and load with good ammo.
 

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unless Chris convinces me that the Bersa is a good enough weapon.
Steve - if thinking .380 I can only reiterate that the Bersa is certainly well worthy of consideration - particularly re value - at around $219.

That vs PPK is a bit apples and oranges but each has its merits. I have been responsible for getting three now - one for myself originally which wife now has, another for a lady biker friend of ours and finally when my step-daughter turned 21 - same for her.

Although I think it is eminently suitable for ladies, I actually enjoy shooting the lil' fella mysefl any time - just like the feel even tho i have large hands.

Best thing is - get your hands one if possible - see if it agrees with you, tho I also agree 9mm is a cheaper way to go regarding fodder! I have not tried any other Bersa but based on the .380 Thunder would now like to try their offerings in .45acp and 9mm.

Kevin - that Glock pic - there's a word for its color - :censored: :18:
 

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Hey Kevin...Did somebody say something embarrassing to your GLOCK? :stups:

Much Better! :yup:

 

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fed_wif_a_sig said:
Like the PPK and planning on getting one this year, unless Chris convinces me that the Bursa is a good enough weapon.

Steve
Steve, I have to agree with Chris. I have purchased two myself. I have a Bulgarian Makarov in .380 and I liked it so much I decided to get something a little lighter in the same caliber. After a good bit of research I decided to get a Bersa. I bought it at the range were my wife and I were taking the NRA Basic Pistol class. She was having trouble pulling the trigger on her S&W revolver so I let her use the Bersa for the afternoon shooting. I never got it back. A month and a half later I bought me one. Each have at least 500 rounds through them, hers probably has closer to 800 and neither has ever failed in any way. We have fired Winchester white box, Remington UMC, MagTech LRN, Federal HydraShok, and Speer Gold Dot through them and they fire what you put in them. They are both very accurate and hit what you aim at. Stephen Camp's site was one of the ones that was instrumental in my decision to buy the Bersa.

Like Chris I have no experience with Bersa's other guns, but I suspect that will change before the summer is over.
 
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